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Originally Posted by Shadow Minato
(Post 2134507)
I don't really understand your point (opening post). Are you asking the question, "is it possible to allow the extent of free speech to the point of hate speech without causing a political backlash of mutual aggression?". I believe the answer to this question would be: "no". Freedom of speech should not include aggression, because it usually results in mutual clashes and that is not good.
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No. My question is, where should we draw the line between not enough ("Speak the party line or die, infidel!") and too much (the proverbial fire in a theater)?
Legally, it changes from place to place. But morally - where should we draw the line? Based on what criteria? How can you tell it's too much, how can you tell it's not enough? Is censorship really doing its job of protecting us, or is it actually counter-productive?
Having Freedom of Speech is obviously asking for trouble. But then, so is hosting soccer games.
I'm uncomfortable with the idea of censorship. I think people should be able to say anything - even the dumbest, or the most hateful, or the least popular. But OTOH, I have to compromise with reality. I have to acknowledge that, given half a chance, people will use Freedom of Speech, and the protection it gives them, to spew their message of hate. To undermine the very society that protects them, and to hurt the innocent. To push us downhill on the morality slope. And I'm not confident we can defeat them with rational arguments because, let's face it, plenty of people wouldn't know a good argument if it bit them in the ass.
However - it's not like I'm all that confident in censorship either. So I just wanted to see what everyone's thoughts on this topic were.
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Originally Posted by Thingle
(Post 2134508)
When you deprive your population of the right to "create chaos", they will never mature enough to outgrow it. The chaotic phase is normal. It's like children playing.
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With proverbial matches. Or rather actual lighters and molotov cocktails.
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Originally Posted by OtseisRagnarok
(Post 2134617)
Well, I believe anyone should be allowed to say whatever they want. If it bothers you, then walk away. You still have the freedom not to punch a bigot in the face, am I right?
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No, and that's precisely the point of Freedom of Speech: to protect those who say unpleasant, not necessarily true things from the thugs who would silence them. Even if the speakers are assholes and the thugs have consensual opinions. (Yeah, I don't care if the guy you're punching is racist: if you use violence just because he said something you don't like, you're a thug.) When you think of Freedom of Speech, please don't think of heroic martyrs speaking up for a cause you're sympathetic to. Think of the guys you'd
really rather would shut up.