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Pellissier 2011-07-17 05:10

Hanasaku Iroha - Episode 16 Discussion / Poll
 
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Midonin 2011-07-17 09:57

HSI 16 - Like No Business I Know

Using an inn/hotel as the site for a movie? That instantly reminded me of Mackinac, but I don't think Kissuiso and Yunosagi will suddenly turn into a tourist town. The idea of filming a movie, though, is something I can totally get behind as a plot point. Didn't know Ensishi had filmmaking ambitions. Given his dialogue, it sounds like something he would've preferred to stick with. Not surprised that Satsuki is somehow integral to who he is - Ohana's doing the same to her friends.

On another side, lots of Nako this episode. She may be shy, but that doesn't mean she doesn't want to see her name in lights. And she's finally got a pool on grounds! Which means more swimsuits, more Nako showing us what she can do. Overall, a nice episode. Not that filmmaking doesn't have its complications (it does), but things went fairly smoothly, and everyone got a chance to shine.

Ending the episode with a phone call can't be good news. It can be, but it's highly unlikely.

Peanutbutter 2011-07-17 10:09

That phone call gave me the creeps.

It can't be all sweet and nice for this arc, right? Something feels really off.

Nothing else really happened in this ep. Things are just being set up.

Next week:

Spoiler:

serenade_beta 2011-07-17 11:09

It is nice to see an arc that is calm and doesn't start with Ohana bursting into somewhere because she didn't like something, but:
1. Takano's character has the attractive level of 0
2. Waka's character also is 0
So anything focused around them is not interesting.

I guess the part where that movie director got close to Waka was funny and the end's phone was intriguing, but that was it.

Kanon 2011-07-17 11:29

That was an awesome episode for Nako fans like myself. She was even more lovely than usual in this episode, I'd even go as far as to say she stole Ohana's thunder this week. The more I see her, the more I love her; I seriously can't wait for her arc (I hope we'll see her brothers, I want to see how she reacts around them). I didn't think she'd be so psyched about the prospect of featuring in a movie considering how shy she is. Ren, on the other hand, reacted exactly as I expected :heh:

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Originally Posted by Peanutbutter003 (Post 3693892)
It can't be all sweet and nice for this arc, right? Something feels really off.

I couldn't shake the feeling something was going to go horribly wrong while watching the episode. It felt off in the sense it seems to good to be true.

The storyline of this episode reminded me of what's happening in real life with Hanasaku Iroha. If an anime can boost tourism then surely, a movie can as well (if it's good, that is). Enishi was surprisingly competent this time around (his sidekick is still horribly annoying though), and it was interesting to learn he used to be an aspiring writer. In the end, Satsuki is the one who became a writer... coincidence?
As I thought, Tomoe's guess was spot-on. Enishi's a definitely a siscon.

PS:
http://i.imgur.com/wUDP8.gif

What the hell were they trying to do here? Fly like witches? :heh:

Blaat 2011-07-17 12:02

The phone call is the director saying that the location didn't match up with his vision so the entire deal is cancelled so Enishi will try and save face by directing his own movie (hence Ohana being shot in the preview)

And yes Enishi is a major siscon.

frubam 2011-07-17 12:25

Although I had that impression after seeing him grab Satsuki in the flashback in ep 13(?), I figured it'd be no way some siscon fetish, since he generally seemed afraid of her, esp when he complained about being pushed around by her a lot. I also thought THAT was the reason he liked Takako so much(though Takako isn't nearly as rambunctious as Satsuki was/is). Quite interesting indeed =03.

And is anyone else getting the idea that Beanman and Okami have/had something else going on behind the scenes :uhoh:?

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Originally Posted by Blaat (Post 3694014)
The phone call is the director saying that the location didn't match up with his vision so the entire deal is cancelled so Enishi will try and save face by directing his own movie (hence Ohana being shot in the preview)

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the hospital calling for Ohana that Ko got into an accident, but your guess sounds more feasible =03.

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Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 3693978)
PS:
http://i.imgur.com/wUDP8.gif

What the hell were they trying to do here? Fly like witches? :heh:

That was my guess. I REALLY liked the way Ohana was looking when she was trying to 'concentrate' :heh:.

TinyRedLeaf 2011-07-17 13:10

Wait, what, Kissuiso has a pool?

How come we see it only now? :twitch:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 3693978)
Enishi's a definitely a siscon.

Well, he does seem to like being under the thumb of stronger women. :heh:

ZGMF-X10A 2011-07-17 13:24

finally something exciting is going to happen
Spoiler for Ohana is going to ...:


more Yuina action next episode woot :)

Roger Rambo 2011-07-17 13:32

You know what? I'm kind of interested in the fact nobody is picking on the MASSIVE Freudian issues coming from Enishi here.

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/4...dfreudlife.jpg
"Frankly it's flabbergasting"

Enishi having random flashbacks about how Mommy isn't paying attention to him? Being awestruck at the vision of his older sister dramatically bursting out of the water while wearing a swimsuit, and in general feeling inadequate compared to her? And then making a college film about that? Dear god Enishi. You are a mind boggling walking bag of problems. Even Jirou and Takako are starting to realize how screwed up you are.

I'm betting on even more Freud next episode!
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Originally Posted by Midonin (Post 3693870)
Using an inn/hotel as the site for a movie? That instantly reminded me of Mackinac, but I don't think Kissuiso and Yunosagi will suddenly turn into a tourist town. The idea of filming a movie, though, is something I can totally get behind as a plot point. Didn't know Ensishi had filmmaking ambitions. Given his dialogue, it sounds like something he would've preferred to stick with. Not surprised that Satsuki is somehow integral to who he is - Ohana's doing the same to her friends.

I find hilarious how meta this is. The IRL show Hanasaku Iroha creates allot of tourism for this region...and now they're doing the same thing INSIDE the show. I loled.
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Originally Posted by frubam (Post 3694031)
And is anyone else getting the idea that Beanman and Okami have/had something else going on behind the scenes :uhoh:?

:twitch: ...but...Beanman is gay. :eyebrow:


Quote:

Originally Posted by frubam (Post 3694031)
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the hospital calling for Ohana that Ko got into an accident, but your guess sounds more feasible =03.

That wouldn't make sense at all. This entire episode has focused on Enishi, setting up things with him to be resolved next episode. That development wouldn't make sense.

0utf0xZer0 2011-07-17 13:40

Loved this episode. Lots of fun with the girls (including a few Tomoe scenes) plus a bit of character development for Enishi. The girls have really developed some good chemistry together over the course of this show.

My favourite moment was probably the bit where Ohana, Nako, and Tomoe start signaling for Minchi to come over to join their huddle.

I'm wondering what Ohana and Nako were doing with the broomsticks though... couldn't stop thinking of that Strike Witches II episode.:heh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 3693978)
The storyline of this episode reminded me of what's happening in real life with Hanasaku Iroha. If an anime can boost tourism then surely, a movie can as well (if it's good, that is).

I'm thinking that was actually the inspiration for this episode.

Surprised to see how far Enishi and Takako go back, as well as how competent they came across this episode compared to previously. Kind of pours cold water on my theory that Enishi and Tomoe will hook up.

Curious to see what Jiromaru's script turns out to be like.:heh:

ZGMF-X10A 2011-07-17 13:43

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ohanashot2.gif
more Yuina, Minko and Nako screentime :)

frubam 2011-07-17 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo (Post 3694089)
:twitch: ...but...Beanman is gay. :eyebrow

Surely, you jest :upset::.

Quote:

That wouldn't make sense at all. This entire episode has focused on Enishi, setting up things with him to be resolved next episode. That development wouldn't make sense.
It was just a joke :(. No episode should go by without mentioning Ko in some form or another at least once :heh:.

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Originally Posted by ZGMF-X10A (Post 3694102)
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ohanashot2.gif
more Yuina, Minko and Nako screentime :)

Kou getting revenge for leaving him hanging all this time? Or is it that girl at the shop? Perhaps Enishi's hatred/infatuation of Satsuki being imposed on Ohana?

Roger Rambo 2011-07-17 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by frubam (Post 3694119)
Surely, you jest :upset::.

Not at all.

- Jiromaru (a reasonably attractive young adult man) threatens Beanman with bondage. Beanman blushes. Tomoe mentions this incident again, causing Beanman to blush.

-Sui is completely at ease with having her daughter, Satsuki (not a reasonably attractive young adult man), hanging around Beanman naked. Beanman isn't particularly perturbed by this.

-Enishi (a reasonably attractive young adult man) embraces Beanman. Beanman blushes

Haak 2011-07-17 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 3693978)
I couldn't shake the feeling something was going to go horribly wrong while watching the episode. It felt off in the sense it seems to good to be true.

Yeah I got that feeling too. Actually, when Enishi said he liked the directors previous films and one of them was called "Wet Button" I had a sudden premonition that the film would actually turn out to be porno film. The fact that they enlisted Jirou to help with the writing and asked the girls to take part didn't help. And then there's that phone ringing at the end.

Quote:

PS:
http://i.imgur.com/wUDP8.gif

What the hell were they trying to do here? Fly like witches? :heh:
That part seriously made me lol.

frubam 2011-07-17 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo (Post 3694125)
Not at all.

- Jiromaru (a reasonably attractive young adult man) threatens Beanman with bondage. Beanman blushes. Tomoe mentions this incident again, causing Beanman to blush.

-Sui is completely at ease with having her daughter, Satsuki (not a reasonably attractive young adult man), hanging around Beanman naked. Beanman isn't particularly perturbed by this.

-Enishi (a reasonably attractive young adult man) embraces Beanman. Beanman blushes

It still seems a bit much to label him gay though. Perhaps I should watch these scenes again. To be honest, I never really paid too much attention to him unless he was with Okami or Ohana.

Roger Rambo 2011-07-17 14:37

Also. Poor Enishi. Apparantly he's not butch enough looking to be the stand in for the actor :p

The actress though...seems VERY satisfied with Renji.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9546/...nasakuirok.jpg

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Originally Posted by frubam (Post 3694142)
It still seems a bit much to label him gay though. Perhaps I should watch these scenes again. To be honest, I never really paid too much attention to him unless he was with Okami or Ohana.

It's rather significant with regards to him being with Satsuki in the bath. Sui is tight assed about the importance of work and the inn coming before her children, but she IS still a mother with conservative values. She's not going to let her daughter hang out naked around a man...unless she considered him completely non threatening.


And I don't really think I'm * labeling* Beanman as being gay. That almost implies that it's a character flaw for him. :heh:

Grey 2011-07-17 14:51

What's with the dramatic phone ringing cliffhanger? :heh: It's ominous but it probably won't be that big of a deal at all.

ThereminVox 2011-07-17 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaat (Post 3694014)
The phone call is the director saying that the location didn't match up with his vision so the entire deal is cancelled so Enishi will try and save face by directing his own movie (hence Ohana being shot in the preview)

That was my first thought. At first, I kind of figured one of the other inns had made them a more attractive offer, but then I remembered the other managers seemed fairly resigned to letting Enishi sink or swim on his own after he turned them down.

I'm guessing Grandma gave Enishi her blessing because she knows that film-making is his passion. She's demonstrated plenty of times that she loves her family deeply, even if she treats them harshly when the inn is involved. She's had no problem telling Enishi and Takako to go jump in a lake before with their wacky schemes, so motherly indulgence is the only explanation for why she'd give her son the office in this case. Unless, of course, she's starting to come to terms with the idea that Enishi is going to have to succeed her. Her conversation with the movie bigwigs about the state of the inn probably reveals something about how she views her family.

However it falls through, though, it does look like Enishi will be the one directing his own movie next time. I hope poor Mr Ren's heart can take it. He's got the build for a leading man, that much is certain.

Nako and Minchi finally come back into focus a bit. I approve. The 4-girl team with Tomoe leads to some of the best interaction in the show.

Triple_R 2011-07-17 15:21

The only thing I disliked about this episode is the implied siscon. Good grief, siscon is becoming almost as commonplace in anime as tsunderes are! :heh:

Other than that, this was a thoroughly enjoyable and fun episode that puts a new challenge/opportunity to the Kissuiso without needing Ohana to play shonen hero for a change (well, at least not yet, anyway ;) ).

This episode also helped humanize some of the adult characters of this anime that many viewers have not been fond of so far, particularly Takako. I know some of these characters may be, er, beyond redemption in the eyes of some viewers, but I still have to commend Hanasaku Iroha for at least trying to make them more likable and realistic.

I also like how it hints at how Enishi might be starting to develop more of a spine, and becoming a somewhat more well-rounded character.


As an aside, I agree with Roger Rambo on Beanman. Given that Beanman is almost the very definition of a background character, that's enough evidence for me to think that he's probably gay, yeah.


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