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Kairin 2011-10-15 11:56

Fate/Zero - Episode 3 Discussion / Poll
 
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Jarmel 2011-10-15 12:01

Saber airline.

Really liking the characters. Someone posted after the 2nd episode that Rider is a man's man and this episode confirms it. Shirou really is the son of Emiya. Also lol at Assassin army.

AvianWing 2011-10-15 12:05

Pretty slow episode.

I'm getting a bit tired of Waver and his cowardice, though Alexander is quite funny with his desire to acquire modern weaponry (for world conquest, of course!)

Is it just me, or is Saber's voice somewhat higher in the earlier parts of the episode? Sounded quite strange, or am I just being schizophrenic?

Many assassins, heh. I hope that the assassins aren't simply fodders because there's so many of them. But it's anime, so...

Looking forward to next episode, since we get a battle coming up. I expect saber to be considerably better here than in F/SN and can spam excalibur. It's gonna be a real treat.

Yuna Amakura 2011-10-15 12:16

The episode sure was slow, but I was expecting this, since it is also like this in the novel.

Oh, thank God they actually made the scene between Kiritsugu and Maiya a lot better than it actually was. But the random kiss was totally unnecessary.

blue_sora 2011-10-15 12:22

So Assassin is actually a group of Assassins? So Hassan is really dead? I want to see more Hassan in action. At first I though Hassan changed into a girl...

Totally love interaction between Saber and Irisviel, they act like really close friends. For Kiritsugu I always never like him at the first place so his cheating (someone please tell me it never beyond kissing, but if it does I really don't care anyway) on Irisviel didn't anger me. That, and he's cheating all the time anyway.

LunarMoon 2011-10-15 12:27

Great episode. I'm not sure how obvious it was supposed to be but I think I noticed something upon rewatching this.

Kotomine said that all of the masters weren't accounted for, but he would have been expecting some sort of magical reconnaisance from all of them. Kiritsugu was using a form of technology to spy on him, though, allowing him to spy on the scene without being detected.

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For Kiritsugu I always never like him at the first place so his cheating (someone please tell me it never beyond kissing, but if it does I really don't care anyway) on Irisviel didn't anger me. That, and he's cheating all the time anyway.
And this would be something that surprised me. I'm going to say the opposite, though, and ask that no one reveals whether it went beyond the kiss or not.

Kusa-San 2011-10-15 12:32

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Originally Posted by Yuna Amakura (Post 3808803)
Oh, thank God they actually made the scene between Kiritsugu and Maiya a lot better than it actually was. But the random kiss was totally unnecessary.

Yeah, I find this kiss scene a bit strange. Maiya is in love with Kiritsugu ? And, I can assume Kiritsugu doesn't care about her feeling, no ?

But other than that, great episode. It's true it's a bit slow but it's for character development so, it's not a bad thing at all.

The end was great.

Can't wait for the next episode !

giorno 2011-10-15 12:34

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Originally Posted by blue_sora (Post 3808812)
So Assassin is actually a group of Assassins? So Hassan is really dead? I want to see more Hassan in action. At first I though Hassan changed into a girl...

this will be explained later on

btw a clarification about the assassin class(it is not a spoiler):
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Hassan: Since Hassan is the origin of the word Assassin, the class of Assassin itself is Hassan's catalyst
basically, in nasuverse, Hassan doesn't refer to a specific guy, but to any member of the assassins sect...

hoarfrost 2011-10-15 12:39

I interpret it as Maiya helping Kiritsugu forget about his family, the thought of which is holding his back from his true potential.

giorno 2011-10-15 12:45

kiritsugu's inner thoughts are pretty much fundamental to understand his character, but the anime's not exposing them so far....

hoarfrost is right

Jarmel 2011-10-15 12:51

Well is Kiritsugu actually in a relationship with Iri? They never really stated it as such. Acting as a good father or hell even being in love with the mother=/ having a relationship with the mother. I'm sure both relationships will be expanded upon later in the series.

Kusa-San 2011-10-15 12:54

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Originally Posted by Jarmel (Post 3808850)
Well is Kiritsugu actually in a relationship with Iri? They never really stated it as such. Acting as a good father or hell even being in love with the mother=/ having a relationship with the mother. I'm sure both relationships will be expanded upon later in the series.

I thought it was obvious that he's completely in love with Iri.

Now, yes, I know that Maiya tries to help him but she can do that and be in love with him. That's what I'm wondering. It seems to me she knows he doesn't love her but she doesn't care and still love him. And because of that, I'm wondering if she hates Iri.

giorno 2011-10-15 13:00

Kiritsugu and Irisviel are married

@Kusa-san: just watch the show, you should get your answers...

LunarMoon 2011-10-15 13:04

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Originally Posted by Kusa-San (Post 3808854)
I thought it was obvious that he's completely in love with Iri.

It was 'obvious' before this episode, but then, that's what made the scene so surprising. It almost made me wonder whether he was just acting out the role of the happy husband because he felt obligated to do so.

konart 2011-10-15 13:13

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Originally Posted by Kusa-San (Post 3808854)
I thought it was obvious that he's completely in love with Iri.

Now, yes, I know that Maiya tries to help him but she can do that and be in love with him. That's what I'm wondering. It seems to me she knows he doesn't love her but she doesn't care and still love him. And because of that, I'm wondering if she hates Iri.

I thought it was obvious that it was arranged.

tsunade666 2011-10-15 13:17

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANCER!!!

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Originally Posted by LunarMoon (Post 3808863)
It was 'obvious' before this episode, but then, that's what made the scene so surprising. It almost made me wonder whether he was just acting out the role of the happy husband because he felt obligated to do so.

Indeed its kinda questionable but I think he really love Iri but being with Iri make him weaker and forget his past and resolution. The place Einsbern gage him makes softhearted. And being hesitant in this war will be fatal for him. Maiya is just helping him to remember his cold past and straighten his resolution even though his already resolve to do anything to win this war.

creb 2011-10-15 13:24

I wonder what Master/Servant is even going to buy the little charade Tohsaka and Kirei put on.

Glad to see we're cheating already Kirei and Tohsaka (well, I guess more Kirei for seeking sanctuary than Tohsaka for just setting the whole charade up). I kind of have to assume the other Masters must know the identity of the Judge, so again...are any of them really going to be so thick to not put two and two together? :heh:

Waver is starting to realize he's in over his head. I'm still thinking his arc will be one of personal growth with Rider as a sort of surrogate father figure.

Irisveil begins to reveal that all is not right in this seemingly fairy-tale life of hers by dropping that nugget that she's been restricted to her castle her entire life. Emiya hints at something disturbing with their daughter with his comment about her weight.

I'm not really sure what I think of Emiya and Maiya. I'm guessing they've worked together a lot, and she's definitely a better fit for the "cold" Emiya. So the only real question is whether or not the "warm" Emiya is real or just a facade. This being Gen who wrote this story, I have to believe both personas are real, and that Mayia is like Emiya's work-wife, with Irisveil his home-wife. :heh:

Irisveil surprised me with her aggressiveness. She may be a perfect lady, but she's no wilting flower. That was refreshing to see.

I can already see the Irisveil x Saber shippers squeeing in glee.

Too bad we have to wait till next episode to finally see a head to head fight between servants. The preview indicates it won't be conclusive, but some action will be good.

Also, Emiya you sly dog. Using your wife and servant as bait is quite the sound plan.

While it seems like an ensemble cast, there has definitely been an emphasis of some master/servants over others. I wonder if this will continue.

Kusa-San 2011-10-15 13:25

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Originally Posted by LunarMoon (Post 3808863)
It was 'obvious' before this episode, but then, that's what made the scene so surprising. It almost made me wonder whether he was just acting out the role of the happy husband because he felt obligated to do so.

I'm surprised too but it's Maiya who kissed him not him who kissed her. It seems to me that he doesn't care at all about her kiss. However, you can clearly see that he really loves his daugther and, in the previous episode, Iri.

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Originally Posted by konart (Post 3808877)
I thought it was obvious that it was arranged.

It doesn't change anything.

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Originally Posted by tsunade666 (Post 3808882)

Indeed its kinda questionable but I think he really love Iri but being with Iri make him weaker and forget his past and resolution. The place Einsbern gage him makes softhearted. And being hesitant in this war will be fatal for him. Maiya is just helping him to remember his cold past and straighten his resolution even though his already resolve to do anything to win this war.

I don't think you need a kiss for that :heh: For me : Maiya is in love with him but she knows he doesn't love her.

Hooves 2011-10-15 13:27

As expected, the first major battle is between Saber and Lancer just like Fate/Stay Night was. Kiritsugu definitely does love Iri, he even had that fatherly emotion about holding his daughter in his hands rather then a gun pointing at someone's face. Having all the confidence in the world that Saber can protect Iri no matter the circumstances, he silently prepares himself with a pack-load of guns for the upcomings battles. He may even do something in Lancer vs Saber to assure victory when the master makes the appearance.

It was veeery strange that they would just kill Assassin off in episode 2 with a master like "Kirei". He had all the confidence in the world that with his group of Assassins, he can basically do anything at the moment with subtle approach. He probably merely wanted to confirm which Archer-class servant Toshaka had so he better prepare himself for the future.

hero147 2011-10-15 13:35

Noooo. I have to wait another week for the next episode. Dammit.


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