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Klashikari 2011-11-12 07:06

Fate/Zero - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll
 
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Proto 2011-11-12 11:22

People who wanted their action should be satisfied. :p

Archer 2011-11-12 11:23

Pretty good episode. It felt rather nicely paced even though they just completely blew through the entirety of Act 6. Kiritsugu shows off both his professional side and his emotional side here, and it's nice to see the entire Saber team interact with each other, fractured as it may be. Lancer brought on the cavalry like a boss, and we see El-Melloi, still very much alive, exhibiting his magical abilities that he couldn't show off the previous episode.

However, I'm just that much more interested in the next episode, after I saw the production staff listing. Bring on next week! :)

blue_sora 2011-11-12 11:57

I thought at first the ball of mercury is some sort of alien invasion thing that I went 'oh no Fate/Zero is going to have an alien in it!' :heh: . Silly me.

Love Rider and Waver, poor that delivery guy, he must thought what sort a guy named himself the King of Conquerors.

I don't know what to say about Kiritsugu's emotional outburst. It feels a little bit jarring for me because the last 6 episodes shows him totally into the Grail War that I would never thought he had thoughts of running away. Some scenes I feel could be properly flowed (especially the gathering on the Einzbern side) but there are scenes did left out because of time constraints and included in the Blu-ray set, so that might make some scenes feel awkward. Sigh, now I'm thinking of getting a part-time job to buy that blu-ray set...

And loved the fight between Kiritsugu and Kayneth. His smirk at the end could only means bad thing for Kayneth.

hyl 2011-11-12 12:04

The fight with Kiritsugu and Kayneth was more interesting than Saber and Lancer vs Caster, but it was still nicely done.

Tom Bombadil 2011-11-12 12:17

tentacles, tentacles, and a lot of more tentacles. :)

Sheba 2011-11-12 12:44

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Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil (Post 3854291)
tentacles, tentacles, and a lot of more tentacles. :)

Can you hear it? This is the sound of hundred of doujin artists furiously scribbling their own retelling of this battle with the lustful passion of a elephant horde in heat.

Yuna Amakura 2011-11-12 12:57

Hum...
This episode was way better than the last one, but I think some parts didn't flow that well. I think Kiritsugu's sudden burst of emotion was a little out of place. Not that he isn't allowed to show emotions, but the transition between "blank paper character" to the one presented in this episode was strange.
The fight scenes were definitely nice. I'm a little bored with the OST, though. Or maybe I should just accept that tv series are always like this.

SoldierOfDarkness 2011-11-12 13:02

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Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil (Post 3854291)
tentacles, tentacles, and a lot of more tentacles. :)

Wait tentacles what?:love:

*Runs off to download Fate/Zero episode 7*

I gotta admit, this Holy Grail war is a lot more interesting and brutal than the 5th one. These guys are pulling every trick they got in the book.

AvianWing 2011-11-12 13:11

Lost a considerable amount of respect for Kiritsugu.

I'm still wondering why Saber doesn't just fire off an Excalibur. She's much more willing to do so in F/SN despite having less means to replenish her mana. Her identity really isn't much of a secret now, anyway. Unless, of course, there are still kids around that aren't hiding tentacle monsters. My thoughts mirror that of Lancer's. This is a poor display by the king of knights, and I hope she remedies that soon. I really want a kick-ass saber, but the only thing awesome right now is seeing her in her suit.

So, a rather frustrating episode. Team Kiritsugu is competing at a lower level than what I'm led to believe.

PhoenixFlare 2011-11-12 13:20

Hmm, I didn't think the outburst was that unnatural, personally. Kiritsugu has been shown to be a person that is unable to express his feelings well outside of interactions with people close to him, notably Irisviel and Maiya.

Kiritsugu has had pangs of guilt, remorse, and fear in the previous showings (e.g.: EP1 during analysis on Kotomine - he mentioned specifically that he was afraid of Kotomine; EP3 during meeting with Maiya - he felt very sad as he held the Contender and comparing its weight to Ilya; EP5 during Berserker and Lancer's imminent attacks on Saber - he was desperate enough to want to reveal himself to save Irisviel; EP6 during bombing attack - his expression softened very much when he noticed a girl crying and the shock he had when Maiya's phone went static on him). Not many other than Irisviel and Maiya could understand him well enough to know that he was actually going through an emotional turmoil, and it all just came out (especially his fear knowing that Kotomine now knows that he's participating actively in the war) in this episode.

One thing that is probably missed, now that it's mentioned in EP7, is that Kiritsugu is participating in this Grail War to pursue his ideals (to save the world or whatever) and to do that, he has come to realize that he needs to sacrifice a lot of people, including Irisviel and Ilya. Wouldn't it be better to just throw away his ideal to have a peaceful life with them? Could he live with the idea of abandoning his dream to escape from adversity? This really tears him apart on the inside.

giorno 2011-11-12 13:29

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Originally Posted by blue_sora (Post 3854271)
I don't know what to say about Kiritsugu's emotional outburst. It feels a little bit jarring for me because the last 6 episodes shows him totally into the Grail War that I would never thought he had thoughts of running away

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I think Kiritsugu's sudden burst of emotion was a little out of place. Not that he isn't allowed to show emotions, but the transition between "blank paper character" to the one presented in this episode was strange.
this is the result of the anime not showing kiritsugu's inner thoughts for the past 6 episodes, and thus, completely crippling his characterization up to this point....unfortunately the same is happening with the other main character, kirei...

at any rate: episode was rushed, though they still managed to keep the important stuff...

Yuna Amakura 2011-11-12 13:31

The problem wasn't the outburst per se, but rather the intensity. Yes, he doesn't know how to show his feelings, but in that scene it was like he went from one extreme to the other.

giorno 2011-11-12 13:37

no, the intensity is pretty much spot on and it's meant to emphasize kiritsugu's fears and wishes as a husband and father, and generally as a human being fighting the HGW...

and it's not that he doesn't know how to express his feelings, when he switches back to "magus killer", he doesn't have feelings at all, he literally turns himself into a machine. That's why he can watch caster horribly murdering children like that, he doesn't feel anything and in the grand scheme of things, the children are an acceptable sacrifice in exchange for killing an enemy master

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Her tendon was slashed, but she could still very well grip the sword
no, she can't, and the anime has made it pretty clear.

ChronoReverse 2011-11-12 13:40

It's pretty realistic for a person who completely holds in his emotions that when they do get released, they'd be stronger than the usual.

That's why when quiet people snap, the outburst tends to be so much more over the top.

Kaiba 2011-11-12 13:40

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Originally Posted by AvianWing (Post 3854390)
That feels a bit like a plot convenience thing so that they just don't roll over the lesser teams -_-b. Her tendon was slashed, but she could still very well grip the sword. Lancer didn't appear for a while, and Iris set up a field so they know exactly who's there, so it's not like she's showing everybody excalibur... just the one that's about to die.

It's her THUMB tendon that's slashed, so she can't grip it with that hand. And she needs both hands to actually use it properly to the degree that excaliblast is possible.

giorno 2011-11-12 13:44

heh, kiritsugu DID mention in this episode that he's sacrificing irisviel...

and anybody who's watched fate/stay night should understand what that means...

AvianWing 2011-11-12 13:44

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Originally Posted by giorno (Post 3854391)
no, she can't, and the anime has made it pretty clear.

Then I stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^ (Post 3854394)
if you are talking his fighting ability, you will eat those words next ep.

Nah, talking about the emotional outburst.

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Originally Posted by ChronoReverse (Post 3854398)

He's probably referring to Kiritsugu's low-handed get-it-done methods. He's the Saber chivalry type I bet lol

His get it done methods have been pretty consistent so far in this series. I don't know why you think I would all the sudden start losing respect for him right now.

Mirron 2011-11-12 13:53

I really liked it myself. They managed to make Caster as much a monster as I can probably stomach in animation, so that's a relief. He seems really... bland for a Caster though, sadly. Powerful, sure, but not that exciting.

Overall I really liked it though. Paid attention to the music this time, really liked that, but want to hear more.

Yuna Amakura 2011-11-12 14:38

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Originally Posted by giorno (Post 3854391)
no, the intensity is pretty much spot on and it's meant to emphasize kiritsugu's fears and wishes as a husband and father, and generally as a human being fighting the HGW...

Ok, nice.
I still don't think it was done nicely.


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