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Klashikari 2011-11-12 07:07

Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll
 
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Allen 2011-11-12 14:47

Loved this episode. It had the essential and the mix serious/fun scenes is getting better and better.
Spoiler for Ep7:

Kunagisa 2011-11-12 17:36

Hmm. Mandatory complaint each week: I DARE YOU TO CUT MORE STUFF OUT SUNRISE, I DARE YOU!!! (please don't take the dare)

With that said ...
Spoiler for 7:

I anticipate a lot of talking next episode, would be interesting to see how that works out since that could be the weakest or strongest plot-exposition episode. Added bonus: we don't have to climb walls to see that next episode preview.

Also for the people who missed it back in episode 2 (a lot of people didn't, but I did). Here's a clearer shot of the scar on the left shoulder, though it happened pretty fast again (but you can see it twice in the episode).
Spoiler for shoulder:


EDIT: Oh yeah, nice .gifs on #kyoukaisen Zeroblade, wwww.

serpiente 2011-11-12 18:26

:uhoh: well since I cannot understand a word of what has been said in the episode...
Spoiler for ep 07:

articuzwolf 2011-11-12 21:11

The last scene was....GOLD!

I could die laughing at other characters expression on that scene (especially Innocentius :heh:)

Kunagisa 2011-11-12 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by serpiente (Post 3854675)
cause for what I can see, the show is more about comedy and parody than anything else, it almost looks like a sit-com for otaku audiences.

I think you will change your mind after watching the sub. Even though I like to complain a whole bunch, the script for this episode is extremely good (this is the main reason why I said this suffers less from the talk-a-lot syndrome.

The complexity that goes into the discussion in the beginning regarding trade and the liquidation of the money/loan into fuel (tentative translation) and such is very engaging. Those who were gunning for more interesting discussion like last episode regarding resources would really enjoy the beginning part (which makes it very susceptible to mistranslations unfortunately, and I'm already worried about TAN subs skirting around the official terms once again).

If anything, this episode showcases Kawakami's talent for scenario-drafting very well. I would've gave this episode a solid 10 just base on dialogues alone if I didn't already know these stuff (and honestly was expecting more than I should have). I don't think anyone who dislikes this series is still watching at this point ... which is fine because everyone will clearly know they're are just bashing a series just for the sake of bashing a series.

tsunade666 2011-11-12 22:31

the last part or rather what Aoi said in the end is truly a WTF!!!! Moment :D like every reaction we get on that scene.

Kunagisa 2011-11-13 00:20

There is a lot of rage to be had currently over Seishi Minakami, who apparently is responsible for Index's script (at least according to the Japanese wiki; ANN only shown one episode though, and otherwise mostly involved with Railgun) and this episode in particular for all the scenes being cut. I never followed Index so I don't know how badly Index had its scenes cut but maybe people who watched Index can kinda guess the situation here with that information?

Good news is that Urahata is scripting the next episode (a pretty important one); the uncertain news is that Yoriko Tomita is in charge of episode 9 and 10 (both are very important episodes to me) and she is a newbie supposedly, so lots of skepticism there.

■ 8話 全域の支持者
脚本=浦畑達彦 演出=松本剛 絵コンテ=今泉賢一 作画監督=尾崎正幸、豊田暁子

■ 9話 高嶺(たかね)の花
脚本=冨田頼子 演出=江島泰男 絵コンテ=田辺泰裕 作画監督=佐光幸恵

■ 10話 スタートラインのラッパ吹き
脚本=冨田頼子 演出・絵コンテ=渡邊哲哉 作画監督=斎藤雅和

serpiente 2011-11-13 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuopidget (Post 3854871)
I think you will change your mind after watching the sub. Even though I like to complain a whole bunch, the script for this episode is extremely good (this is the main reason why I said this suffers less from the talk-a-lot syndrome.

The complexity that goes into the discussion in the beginning regarding trade and the liquidation of the money/loan into fuel (tentative translation) and such is very engaging. Those who were gunning for more interesting discussion like last episode regarding resources would really enjoy the beginning part (which makes it very susceptible to mistranslations unfortunately, and I'm already worried about TAN subs skirting around the official terms once again).

If anything, this episode showcases Kawakami's talent for scenario-drafting very well. I would've gave this episode a solid 10 just base on dialogues alone if I didn't already know these stuff (and honestly was expecting more than I should have). I don't think anyone who dislikes this series is still watching at this point ... which is fine because everyone will clearly know they're are just bashing a series just for the sake of bashing a series.

Good to hear that. I usually watch 2 or 3 different versions (Its part of the fun at this point...) So I guess it will all make sense, eventually :heh:. I know I should not judge for animation alone, since negotiation and arguments here seems to have special relevance . In episode 06, I could relate more easily to what was shown, even without subs, for the emotional weight of the scenes. So I knew it would be a 9 or 10. Guess it is a different case here.

Chaos2Frozen 2011-11-13 04:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuopidget (Post 3855034)
There is a lot of rage to be had currently over Seishi Minakami, who apparently is responsible for Index's script (at least according to the Japanese wiki; ANN only shown one episode though, and otherwise mostly involved with Railgun) and this episode in particular for all the scenes being cut. I never followed Index so I don't know how badly Index had its scenes cut but maybe people who watched Index can kinda guess the situation here with that information?

To be honest? Nothing of ABSOLUTE importance was actually cut out- the main gist of the story is still there, what they did cut out were the small funny moments that people apparently really like. But there are a number of edited scenes- Most infamous was the throwing building, but in the grand scheme of things it was more or less the same way as how the Light Novel happened.

That was for Season 2 :p

In season 1 on the other hand, there were two arcs in particular that undergo major surgery and went so far as to completely remove characters that played a role in the story to shorten them. But you don't hear as many complains from the English side because hardly anybody reads the Light Novel at that time.

MorningGlory 2011-11-13 04:39

very nice episode.Now waiting how will Masazumi respond to Toori lol

jeroz 2011-11-13 06:22

well....that was kind of unexpected and expected given Toori's character............

Remember kids, you too can fight against giant mecha if you study Economics!!

Suzuku 2011-11-13 06:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen (Post 3855224)
To be honest? Nothing of ABSOLUTE importance was actually cut out- the main gist of the story is still there, what they did cut out were the small funny moments that people apparently really like. But there are a number of edited scenes- Most infamous was the throwing building, but in the grand scheme of things it was more or less the same way as how the Light Novel happened.

That was for Season 2 :p

In season 1 on the other hand, there were two arcs in particular that undergo major surgery and went so far as to completely remove characters that played a role in the story to shorten them. But you don't hear as many complains from the English side because hardly anybody reads the Light Novel at that time.

Minakami only scripted ep 9 of season 1 of Index. That's the last ep of the Deep Blood arc.

Einst 2011-11-13 09:41

That last scene sure giving masazumi hard blow, guess thats why he called "Impossible"Toori.

Zeroblade 2011-11-13 16:16

Okay I guess this entire post will be all spoilertagged because I have no idea what is considered a spoiler and what isn't ww



Sums up the episode pretty well.

Spoiler for ep7:


Spoiler for ideas on the next episode:

Icy.Tear 2011-11-13 16:36

Force of Worship is just a unit of Fluid depletion. Why it's called 拝気, I'll never know. All I can theorize is that all usages of Ability that aren't conducted/channeled using some sort of medium need to be specially fueled by internally or externally fueled Force of Worship. Perhaps Force of Worship is just Fluid in a tangible form, due to its nature as a substance which allows contradiction, whereas Fluid can only be used without first accumulating Force of Worship only if one has a conductive object. Force of Worship can also be substituted by offerings to a conteacted God; whether it be money, as in Shirojiro's Ability Reinforcement:Trade Segmentation, or Asama's whatever.

Actually I have no idea; all this is conjecture based upon the prologue, which is well...a prologue.

Suiri Megami Alice 2011-11-13 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeroblade (Post 3855943)
Spoiler for ep7:

Spoiler for It's all about money:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy.Tear (Post 3855968)
Force of Worship is just a unit of Fluid depletion. Why it's called 拝気, I'll never know. All I can theorize is that all usages of Ability that aren't conducted/channeled using some sort of medium need to be specially fueled by internally or externally fueled Force of Worship. Perhaps Force of Worship is just Fluid in a tangible form, due to its nature as a substance which allows contradiction, whereas Fluid can only be used without first accumulating Force of Worship only if one has a conductive object. Force of Worship can also be substituted by offerings to a conteacted God; whether it be money, as in Shirojiro's Ability Reinforcement:Trade Segmentation, or Asama's whatever.

Actually I have no idea; all this is conjecture based upon the prologue, which is well...a prologue.

Haiki/Force of Worship/Ether Offerings is a unit of measurement, which is exactly 3600 ATELL(the lowest denomination of Fluid/Ether), the amount of ether/fluid a human needs to exist for an hour. ATELL is converted to Haiki during consumption in Ability. I have no idea why it's called like that as well.

I remember reading in the novel that the user needs a few hours of meditation (瞑想) to internally fuel a single Haiki to a talismans or crystals (which they can use as a consumable without the need to make offerings.)

Kunagisa 2011-11-13 17:22

In the context of what Muneshige explained about the unique offering system that Far East (now only Musashi) possessed in this episode, 拝気 as a terminology makes sense. Besides, it just sounds awesome ;).

As for the economics, I think it's useful to keep in mind Christian churches used to ban interest from loans while watching the episode.

Icy.Tear 2011-11-13 17:48

Isn't the substitute-offering just a system whereby the user offers something which the contracted God rejoices in, in exchange for one Force of Worship?

I haven't watched the episode, but when Asama used Loan of Divine Melody (神音借り) in the prologue, I think that's what it said.

It'd be nice if someone could come up with an English translation for 拝気 that's just as aesthetic but shorter than FoW.

Kunagisa 2011-11-13 18:14

Basically yes, but offering must be related to your god of worship; the implication here (along with Shirojiro mentioned about "bigger the risk, bigger the return gains") is that you can perform any ability under that god as long as you can pay the price ...

As for translation, I believe you can just translate that as Bless since that's the official(?) reading.


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