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Kairin 2012-01-27 15:28

Shakugan no Shana III - Episode 16 Discussion / Poll
 
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hayate-sama 2012-01-27 15:50

We got the ED this ep, very good song but the visual is not very appealing, they used the anime style illustrations instead of Light novel style illustrations like previous 2 seasons, may be because they don't have enough money to hire noizi ito. Some pictures in the ED is similar to the vol XXII illustrations.

ars89 2012-01-27 16:10

Well it was all dialogue this time. Wonder what Shana'a plan is. Think it was obvious everyone would agree to her plan. Glad she got her melonpan after so long. So who were those 3 people in like the desert that suddenly got found by someone? Didn't get who they were or who found them. Pheles appeared for a bit. Wonder what she made for Johan. Seems like she can't use until Yoshida uses the charm she got. So Yuji is heading back to Japan. Nice to see his parents again as well. Also the ED was finally visualized.

Game8910 2012-01-27 16:32

I love the illustrations for the ED, they were really awesome.
Finally an episode to recover from all the fighting, it was great seeing everyone making their own resolve to continue fighting for their own beliefs. Cant wait to see what happens next.


SkyFlames 2012-01-27 18:49

A quite nice episode, even without the fighting it ended up being quite interesting. I do wonder what Shana was going to say after the last "I'll find you and..."

The ending was really enjoyable, although the first image was quite unexpected.

I'm starting to like even more the dinamic of Sale and Chiara, both characters seem to be very promising, looking forward to see the duo fighting.

liquidblueocean 2012-01-27 18:54

So glad a long set of dialogue happened finally. With so much fighting and not much else, the characters were starting to seem emotionally one-dimensional.
Yuji appearing as himself next episode? Awesome!
I reckon it would be kick-ass if the ending was something like that the *real* original Yuji's plan was deception until he could bring down Bal Masque from the inside... although a totally foolish one.

Key Board 2012-01-27 19:35

It seems the final dungeon party raid members are finalized

It still remain to be seen how cooperative the remaining 3 land gods are, but they're probably the last of reinforcements barring Pheles who is a wild card.

I don't expect any support from mook flame hazes

Proto 2012-01-27 20:15

Really nice episode. I'm really excited about the rest of the series.

Specially the next episode.

Since it has Yoshida.

alvinkhorfire 2012-01-27 20:16

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Originally Posted by ars89 (Post 3971736)
So who were those 3 people in like the desert that suddenly got found by someone? Didn't get who they were or who found them. Pheles appeared for a bit.

Who are these 3 people? They have to be very important in Pheles' plan.

Till now, we anime viewers only know the existence of The Scroll of Secrets, given to Wilhelmina by Lamies as the second offering. What is the function of The Scroll of Secrets? Too many questions, too little answers. Next episode could not come soon enough.

~Yami~ 2012-01-28 00:27

a truly enjoyable episode.... and finally Wilhelmina mentioned Mathilde's name....
the ending is very good in my opinion... even better than all of previous Shakugan no Shana's ending...

According to my lame memory, I thought Shana's existence has been erased since Yuji kidnapped her. But how come Chigusa still remember her?

wondering what is Pheles plan.... hopefully not another selfish one and messed up Yuji or Shana's plan

anyway, finally in this season, my wishes are realized.... Shana got many new party members... (quite bored with Margery and Wilhelmina... xD) and Chiara is there... yay!

now, Shana has become the leader..... looks like the final battle is approaching....

preview : what the hell is Yuji tried to do in Misaki City??? All Flame Haze are heading to New York while Bal Masque is heading to Misaki City.... looks like Yuji's plan is up ahead Shana's plan

ReverseReasoning 2012-01-28 02:05

This was a decent episode to say the least. Not too in love with the new ending though, I preferred as I preferred season two's.

Chiara is just a darling, and hopefully she survives and not be a one hit kill from Sydonay.

Most of the dialogue were expected in my opinion. I probably know Wilhelmina, Shana and Margery way too well now.

Pheles was the biggest surprise of all. What plan can she come up with? I wanna see her fight as well.

(Still bitter about Sabrac's loss, hope Sydonay can revenge and do a slaughter)

Elf song 2012-01-28 03:28

Hope Okamoto Nobuhiko (Accelerator)'ll be Southvalley's voice actor.

In ED, Bel Peol looks like sadistic woman :heh:
Three gods, you're too cool!
Shana's arm with Nietono no Shana in the last pic is weird. Look like it's floating without attaching to her body. :twitch:

elleinad00 2012-01-28 06:52

Well that was a nice episode! :smile:

the ending..... great song... dot dot dot illustration especially at the first illustration to Shana I was like :twitch:

Mathilde...... (I want Eternal song to be animated!!)
AT LAST I/WE SAW SHANA EATING MELON PAN WITH A VERY CUTE HAPPY FACE :hyper-^v^: YAY!!

Hyakki Yakou!!! wooohooo!! awesome but who's that guy or girl going to attack them??

why is it Rebecca's not coming with Shana and co.??

Next episode: The Three other Gods. Westshore you are soo cute!! and Yuji please don't give me that smile........ because it is so cute.... PROMISE! :nod: :blush:

HayashiTakara 2012-01-28 10:28

Shana eating Melon Pan was the best part of the episode, anyway good to see things are moving along. Nothing was answered in this episode, just more questions, oh well.

taichi-kun 2012-01-28 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvinkhorfire (Post 3972022)
Who are these 3 people? They have to be very important in Pheles' plan.

Till now, we anime viewers only know the existence of The Scroll of Secrets, given to Wilhelmina by Lamies as the second offering. What is the function of The Scroll of Secrets? Too many questions, too little answers. Next episode could not come soon enough.

And the rings... Yuuji has one and shana like 3 or 4 :confused:

SoldierOfDarkness 2012-01-28 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReverseReasoning (Post 3972389)
This was a decent episode to say the least. Not too in love with the new ending though, I preferred as I preferred season two's.

Chiara is just a darling, and hopefully she survives and not be a one hit kill from Sydonay.

Most of the dialogue were expected in my opinion. I probably know Wilhelmina, Shana and Margery way too well now.

Pheles was the biggest surprise of all. What plan can she come up with? I wanna see her fight as well.

(Still bitter about Sabrac's loss, hope Sydonay can revenge and do a slaughter)

Technically speaking Sabrac committed suicide because of Yuji.

On that matter why did Sale say that he was an artifical flame haze and that his creator was there. So was he not human to begin with?

Deathscyther 2012-01-28 17:17

Another good episode. 9/10. It was about time for some character development.

I just had to smile when I saw Shana finally eating some melon pan again with a smile on her face. She seems so innocent when she's like that.

I guess those rings will play a big role in Shana's plan, and it looks like Azure (the anti flame ring Yuji has) will play a role in the plan as well. There's probably some kind of connection between them. Looking forward to it.

Before executing this plan all flame haze had to find out their own reasons to fight though. Without a reason to fight, they'd be better off not fighting at all. Although the main reason for a flame haze to fight is to
protect the balance, the true/personal reason is different for every flame haze. We already learned that flame haze should be true to themselves in order to become truly strong. The two halves of a flame haze (human half and flame haze half) have to be merged into one. Shana got a huge power boost after realizing this, so I wonder if the others will get stronger as well after realizing their true reasons to fight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Yami~ (Post 3972296)
According to my lame memory, I thought Shana's existence has been erased since Yuji kidnapped her. But how come Chigusa still remember her?

I think it's because her powers and existence were sealed by Tartaros (Bel Peol's chains), so when Tenmoku Ikko cut the chains around Shana wrist, her powers and her existence came back.

Ec1ge 2012-01-28 17:19

A terrific 9/10

Besides there being talking in all of the episode and no fighting, this episode helped me clear a lot of things out and explain a ton. :)

elleinad00 2012-01-28 19:22

Speaking of what are they really protecting, not just the balance of the world but something more, I remebered that Rebecca said something about a certain person? who would that be?? and Khamsin wanted to protect Yoshida?... :eyebrow: :D

alvinkhorfire 2012-01-28 19:59

Spoiler for Location of Seireiden in Episode 6 - 15?:

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I feel quite weird that Shana is surprised to find melon pans being sold in Hong Kong.

When Shana became a Flame Haze in Tendōkyū, subsequent battle in Tendōkyū involving Vine subsequently caused it to sink into the ocean, in Hong Kong. After Wilhelmina bid goodbye to her in Hong Kong, Shana traveled alone, before going to Europe. If that is the case, she could have explored that city by herself, and could have discovered melon pans there.

Thus, in Episode 16 of Season 3, she could not be that surprised to find melon pans in Hong Kong. Weird, isn't it? :confused:
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Quote:

Originally Posted by elleinad00 (Post 3972656)
why is it Rebecca's not coming with Shana and co.??

Rebecca did mention that she is going to Tendōkyū.

Quote:

Originally Posted by taichi-kun (Post 3973246)
And the rings... Yuuji has one and shana like 3 or 4 :confused:

If you do not mind the spoiler, I can reveal the answer in spoiler thread. Still, I cannot be sure whether the anime will reveal what the rings are, or not in subsequent episodes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness (Post 3973409)
On that matter why did Sale say that he was an artifical flame haze and that his creator was there. So was he not human to begin with?

Well, the information can be found in Shakugan no SHANA Wikia page. Just search for Sale Habichtsburg in that Wikia. It is not really a spoiler-laden page, as it depicts events that were animated before, but not explained in detail.


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