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Calca 2013-04-24 18:34

Guillermo Del Toro to turn Monster into HBO series
 
Didn't see this posted anywhere. This has potential to expose even more people to manga. We all know how well Game of Thrones is doing.

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totoum 2013-04-24 18:50

Consider me sold until proven otherwise, Del Toro and HBO have my complete trust.

edit: Also in my dreamworld they actually shoot this in germany and Christoph Waltz is cast as Inspector Runge (yeah not a physical match but I don't care), that's likely asking for too much though :heh:

MUAHAHAHAHAHA 2013-04-24 19:02

del Toro?? Pan's Labyrinth is an absolute masterpiece that will always be one of my favourite movies. How epic is this series going to be?

leokiko 2013-04-24 19:09

Hope this actually happen.

Guardian Enzo 2013-04-24 19:20

I have a friend who contracts with HBO for publicity and such, and I'll see what I can find out from them. This would be a huge coup for manga if it happens, but the coded language in all these news stories suggests it's still in the potential stage rather than having been greenlit.

AbZeroNow 2013-04-24 21:54

It would be great to see Monster get a HBO series. At least you could get Viz to reprint the manga if that happened. Depending on how people respond to it, it would make it easier to convince them to actually release the whole series on DVD (or Blu-Ray).

I really hope that they keep Dr. Tenma Asian if this happens.

aohige 2013-04-25 02:13

I just hope it doesn't turn into "Action thriller starting some American star taking place in Detroit".
East Germany commie experiment will be replaced by "evil American government conspiracy"
Magnificent Steiner is replaced by the Incredible Hulk.
Heinrich is a donuts eater that looks like Columbo.

Please let these be just my nightmares.

TinyRedLeaf 2013-04-25 02:51

It has been more than 20 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union. There is an entire generation of young adults today with no personal memory of the Cold War. From that perspective, I fear the temptation to rewrite the story and change the setting will be very strong. There will be a strong desire to "update" the plot to make it more relevant to contemporary audiences.

Like Guardian Enzo, I suspect that this project hasn't yet been green lit. I remember the talk and excitement about adapting Monster to film and, as expected, it never took off.

Of course, one can still hope for the best. If this is indeed going ahead to production, what kind of timeline are we likely to see? A pilot episode by perhaps 2015?

Guardian Enzo 2013-04-25 05:51

Even if the project eventually goes forward, I think it's quite likely it won't be set in Japan and will be updated to a current-day or even future setting. Might as well get prepared for it now so as not to be disappointed later.

aohige 2013-04-25 05:59

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Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo (Post 4652438)
Even if the project eventually goes forward, I think it's quite likely it won't be set in Japan and will be updated to a current-day or even future setting. Might as well get prepared for it now so as not to be disappointed later.

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The story was never set in Japan in the first place.
The bulk majority of the story is in Germany.

TinyRedLeaf 2013-04-25 07:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo (Post 4652438)
Even if the project eventually goes forward, I think it's quite likely it won't be set in Japan and will be updated to a current-day or even future setting. Might as well get prepared for it now so as not to be disappointed later.

You probably meant it won't be set in the former Warsaw Pact countries of Central and Eastern Europe. :p

Well, I highly expect Dr Kenzo Tenma to become an American character. I've always felt, in any case, that his nationality was a contrivance for the sake of the manga's domestic audience. It never really mattered that Tenma was Japanese, only that he was a foreigner who depended on an unfamiliar social network to advance his career. Also, I never really felt that Naoki Urasawa nailed European culture accurately — his ostensibly European characters behaved and spoke with very Japanese mannerisms. Their personal philosophies tended to be vaguely Japanese, and not really European.

Nevertheless, the Cold War setting is an inextricable part of the plot. The eugenics and social conditioning that created the titular monster of the series are things that we can readily associate with the place and era, because similar atrocities did in fact occur there and then in real life.

I'm all for creative liberty, but it will be a challenge to adapt Monster for HBO if the series has to be made relevant to an American audience. I hope Del Toro would set the bar higher and aim for a series that would appeal to the broadest possible global audience. I almost wish some European or British production company took up the project instead. There would have been a greater chance of authentic locations and actors being cast for the show.

totoum 2013-04-25 08:10

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Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf (Post 4652364)
Nevertheless, the Cold War setting is an extricable part of the plot. The eugenics and social conditioning that created the titular monster of the series are things that we can readily associate with the place and era, because similar atrocities did in fact occur there and then in real life.

While the cold war is crucial to the plot,most of the action takes place once it has ended, so maybe just have a longer timeskip than in the manga?
Have the first episode set in the 1980s and then just skip to present day (which was 1994 in the manga and would be 201x for the TV show), that would make everyone considerably older than they were in the manga but it's not something I'd mind, though I guess explaining why Johann would have waited so long to contact Dr Tenma again might be an issue.

Cosmic Eagle 2013-04-25 08:15

One reason why Monster was such fun was the creepy child experimentation through children's books theme. Hope they retain that kind of ghost town Pripyat atmosphere

TinyRedLeaf 2013-04-25 08:20

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Originally Posted by totoum (Post 4652651)
While the cold war is crucial to the plot,most of the action takes place once it has ended, so maybe just have a longer timeskip than in the manga?

Have the first episode set in the 1980s and then just skip to present day (which was 1994 in the manga and would be 201x for the TV show), that would make everyone considerably older than they were in the manga but it's not something I'd mind, though I guess explaining why Johann would have waited so long to contact Dr Tenma again might be an issue.

The issue isn't about the timeskip, but the setting. As I said, the eugenics and social conditioning that formed a central part of the plot are things we more readily associate with that part of the world, in that period of history. How would they be transposed to a modern American setting? As aohige suggests, the experiments could conceivably be rewritten into a giant government conspiracy to create a "super soldier" or something equivalent, and the neo-Nazi/Stalinist villains of story could conceivably become variants of the Ku Klux Klan.

I suppose this could still work, but it will lose a great deal of the authenticity that made Monster special.

As for the chase and police-procedural elements of the story, recall that Americans have seen them all before in The Fugitive TV series and movie. I expect HBO producers and executives will ask what sets Monster apart from that intellectual property, which has acquired a semi-cult status of its own.

Kirarakim 2013-04-25 08:21

I think the setting and time period shouldn't be an issue for HBO.

However will they whitewash Tenma? Unfortunately I expect that as well.

If this does well this could be the best thing to happen to anime to take away some of the negative stereotypes. So I hope this works out.

totoum 2013-04-25 08:54

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Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf (Post 4652664)
The issue isn't about the timeskip, but the setting. As I said, the eugenics and social conditioning that formed a central part of the plot are things we more readily associate with that part of the world, in that period of history. How would they be transposed to a modern American setting?

Oh right,I was just assuming they'd keep the german setting (and while I wouldn't bet on it I'm keeping my hopes up), if they don't you'd indeed have to find an equivalent.Which might be tough.Don't really like the government conspiracy card.
I'd buy into it if you told me that the "monster" was a product of North Korean experiments though.
(I'm just throwing that one out there,havn't even thought on how to make it work :heh: )

I couldn't care less about the protagonist being asian or not though. (unless him being american and not japanese somehow really affects the plot but I can't remember that being the case.)

Guardian Enzo 2013-04-25 09:12

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Originally Posted by aohige (Post 4652442)
?

The story was never set in Japan in the first place.
The bulk majority of the story is in Germany.

Yeah, slip of the tongue (well, brain) - I mean don't expect the Doctor to be Japanese, and don't expect the setting to be the same era.

I could be wrong, of course, but precedent is that everything will be updated and Americanized. Tenma might be a European, but I'll be very surprised if he remains a Japanese.

james0246 2013-04-25 09:14

I seriously doubt the context of the story will be changed that much. FX has a critical (and somewhat ratings) hit with The Americans, a taunt Cold War thriller, so I see no reason why HBO would not heavily consider keeping the original setting or timeline of the manga series (since they know that the era involved is not necessarily a turn-off, nor is it that much of a budget issue).

(btw, why is this thread in General Anime and not General Chat?).

Guardian Enzo 2013-04-25 09:15

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Originally Posted by james0246 (Post 4652744)
I seriously doubt the context of the story will be changed that much. FX has a critical (and somewhat ratings) hit with The Americans, a taunt Cold War thriller, so I see no reason why HBO would not heavily consider keeping the original setting or timeline of the manga series (btw, why is this thread in General Anime and not General Chat?).

Why is a moderator asking that question? :heh::heh:

james0246 2013-04-25 09:21

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Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo (Post 4652747)
Why is a moderator asking that question? :heh::heh:

I'm interested in the reasoning. It'll help in my decision on whether or not it should be moved and where.


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