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synaesthetic 2013-05-03 01:05

Yuri Visual Novels with characters that are like real people?
 
do they exist

please tell me they do...

Edit:

Sorry, my attempt at wit failed and didn't receive much of a response.

I've only played a handful of VNs and most of them I don't care for much. I did play the major Key ones and some others, both H and non-H, and most of them are just shit-terrible.

ESPECIALLY the yuri ones--the characters are cardboard cutouts of anime/manga stereotyped girls with no real personality or depth.

The only VN I've played with people that even feel remotely like actual human beings has so far been Katawa Shoujo. Maybe it's cultural bias and I'm only saying this because I'm not Japanese, but really...

tl;dr version: Can I haz yuri visual novels with well-written characters (prefer H, don't care if non-H though)

chocolatemilkgod 2013-05-03 01:37

Firstly, Katawa Shoujo is definitely not Yuri. That's getting into the world of nukiges...

Anyway, if you meant the highschool-romancy sort of feel, you could try some of the key visual novels. That's stuff like Little busters, Clannad, Kannon or Rewrite (I'd recommend Little busters first). Possibly also Cross Channel, Grisaia no Kajitsu and ef a tale of memories. I can't vouch for these, though, since I haven't played them. Additionally, Grisaia hasn't been completely translated yet (expect a patch in about a month or two?) and the Cross Channel translation quality is all over the shop (again expect a re-translation probably a month and a half from now).

Check out Katawa Shoujou on VNDB and check its tags for similar concepts (rank by rating when you do this, otherwise who knows what you'll end up with). Also, check out VNDB by raking if you want a list of the best rated visual novels. There's tons of really awesome VNs out there, though; you'll definitely find something you'll like.

synaesthetic 2013-05-03 01:46

I'm well aware it's not yuri as I've been playing/reading/whatever it. That isn't what I asked.

What I asked was there any yuri VNs that didn't treat their characters like props for the purpose of sex, but actually played them fairly realistically as people.

So far I haven't found any, though I've only run through a few before becoming so disgusted with cardboard cutout characters with giant tits. I've already played all the non-H Key ones, and they were okay (I'm one of the weirdos who actually prefer the animated adaptations, so sue me).

What I'm looking for specifically are VNs where the main character is female and the potential love interests are also female, and the characters are at least halfway believable as possibly being real people. It doesn't matter if it's clean or has H-scenes. I'd prefer ero but you take what you can get in the pursuit of decently written characters.

Edit: I'm going to edit the title to be less confusing.

Edit #2: Seriously I still can't change the actual thread title? dafuq.

Cosmic Eagle 2013-05-03 04:13

Honestly speaking? I actually find BL eroge to be far superior in writing to yuri ones. The only good "yuri" games don't actually have the character's relationships as the main focus.

synaesthetic 2013-05-03 04:44

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle (Post 4663608)
Honestly speaking? I actually find BL eroge to be far superior in writing to yuri ones. The only good "yuri" games don't actually have the character's relationships as the main focus.

This seems to be the general consensus of pretty much everything. Manga seems to be in the exact same boat. Yaoi is considerably better written on average and there's also so much more of it...

I didn't realize this would be so difficult. There just isn't a lot of "yuri for gay girls" I suppose. It's all authored with male viewers/readers in mind...

I can't get into yaoi no matter how hard I try--and boy have I tried. It's just too difficult for me to identify with the characters.

darkchibi07 2013-05-03 06:44

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle (Post 4663608)
Honestly speaking? I actually find BL eroge to be far superior in writing to yuri ones. The only good "yuri" games don't actually have the character's relationships as the main focus.

Uhhh, ever heard of the Sono Hanabira series? Each game specifically deals with a couple.

Jan-Poo 2013-05-03 13:49

The "Sono Hanabira" series is certainly the most famous when it comes to Yuri VN, it is also the highest rated, but how good it actually is? Which is the best chapter? How much it is focused on the relationship rather than sex?

P.S. The thought that KS has become the benchmark for how a good Visual Novel should be is giving me a headache.

synaesthetic 2013-05-03 15:01

Sonohana is pretty much porn porn and more porn. It's the most well-known and obvious so of course I already tried it. Didn't care much for it.

What I was talking about in regards to Katawa Shoujo is that the girls (though not so much the lead, he's a bit generic-VN-guy) are portrayed like real people. If they act strange or out of character, they're called out on. They aren't just objects, "levels" in the game.

Sure, the writing's pretty dodgy at times and the main character is about as interesting as a Ben Stein lecture (Bueller... Bueller...)

But my gripe with most VNs is that the characters are not portrayed as real people. They're portrayed as either otaku stereotypes, cardboard cutouts or sex toys.

hyl 2013-05-03 15:12

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic (Post 4664282)
But my gripe with most VNs is that the characters are not portrayed as real people. They're portrayed as either otaku stereotypes, cardboard cutouts or sex toys.

You have most likely been reading the wrong VN's if you are saying that most "VN's" have sex toys (most likely nukige's) or cardboard cutouts.
As for the otaku sterotypes, seriously......
The next thing that you are going complain is that almost every manga/anime/jrpg has otaku sterotypes in it..

Personally I found Katawa Shoujo somewhat average and it was even boring at times for me. I would never use that game as a benchmark for other VN's though, but it seems some Western people seem to do that because of it's hype and release in English

synaesthetic 2013-05-03 15:30

It's more I think because a lot of writers have a hard time playing disabled people like people instead of writing them as being totally defined by their disability.

Being a writer myself it's like... okay... write characters that are people. If you want to write caricatures, do superhero comics or some shit.

hyl 2013-05-03 16:03

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic (Post 4664298)
It's more I think because a lot of writers have a hard time playing disabled people like people instead of writing them as being totally defined by their disability.

Being a writer myself it's like... okay... write characters that are people. If you want to write caricatures, do superhero comics or some shit.

Depends, i already saw a very good portrayed burn victim in an eroge way before Katawa Shoujo was released. Not that there are many stories about disabled people in the first place, but the problem lies with the touchy subject and the possible lack of interest.

jedinat 2013-05-03 18:04

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic (Post 4663648)
Manga seems to be in the exact same boat. Yaoi is considerably better written on average and there's also so much more of it...


I'll be the first to admit that I know next to nothing when it comes to yaoi... but is it really in such a better place? (note that there's a couple folders in there that contain a bunch of manga (mostly oneshots) not visible) That's only the manga I felt worth keeping... (though there's probably a couple on their I would delete if I bothered to comb through it all carefully)

Akito Kinomoto 2013-05-03 18:21

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Originally Posted by jedinat (Post 4664414)

I'll be the first to admit that I know next to nothing when it comes to yaoi... but is it really in such a better place? (note that there's a couple folders in there that contain a bunch of manga (mostly oneshots) not visible) That's only the manga I felt worth keeping... (though there's probably a couple on their I would delete if I bothered to comb through it all carefully)

Do we have different content limits on yuri? I'm not knocking down any of those titles' quality but Alice Quartet and Hayate X Blade to name a few are about as yuri as Yuru Yuri.

jedinat 2013-05-03 20:06

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Originally Posted by Akito Kinomoto (Post 4664427)
Do we have different content limits on yuri? I'm not knocking down any of those titles' quality but Alice Quartet and Hayate X Blade to name a few are about as yuri as Yuru Yuri.

Well, there's a lot of subtext. Hayate X Blade ended up being especially disappointing in regards to the yuri content. They got put in the folder because they're drawn by artists who do yuri manga and were scanlated by yuri scanlators, etc... If the main draw of a manga is it's "yuri" I'd consider it a yuri manga in most cases... though as I said a couple might be removed if I went over the folder carefully, and those might be among them.

Antiquity 2013-05-03 22:25

Katahane, not solely yuri, but part of it.

demino_hellsin 2013-05-03 22:25

Erm... isn't Yuri just 2 girls going all kiss-kiss-touch-touch? If you wanted romance then maybe Shoujo-ai would be the more correct term? Not much experience in this fandom but as far as I've experienced this seems to be the case.

jedinat 2013-05-03 22:50

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin (Post 4664707)
Erm... isn't Yuri just 2 girls going all kiss-kiss-touch-touch? If you wanted romance then maybe Shoujo-ai would be the more correct term? Not much experience in this fandom but as far as I've experienced this seems to be the case.

The term shoujo-ai has been pretty much phased out I believe. I know I don't use it anymore... and it apparently was never really "legitimate", lol... Yuri is the catch-all term.

Tempester 2013-05-03 22:55

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin (Post 4664707)
Erm... isn't Yuri just 2 girls going all kiss-kiss-touch-touch? If you wanted romance then maybe Shoujo-ai would be the more correct term? Not much experience in this fandom but as far as I've experienced this seems to be the case.

Yuri covers everything lesbian from the most innocent romance to explicit porn. Shoujo-ai refers to romance involving little girls and has a meaning similar or equal to lolicon.

NoemiChan 2013-05-03 23:01

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin (Post 4664707)
Erm... isn't Yuri just 2 girls going all kiss-kiss-touch-touch? If you wanted romance then maybe Shoujo-ai would be the more correct term? Not much experience in this fandom but as far as I've experienced this seems to be the case.

Lame.....

Being a Yuri hentai/eroge lover (not anime) I recommend Sono Hanabira.... It'll get your fantasy in a higher level....

Tempester 2013-05-03 23:19

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan (Post 4664761)
Being a Yuri hentai/eroge lover (not anime) I recommend Sono Hanabira.... It'll get your fantasy in a higher level....

Did you even read the thread? She already tried Sono Hanabira.


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