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Klashikari 2013-09-19 12:03

Danganronpa - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll
 
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Klashikari 2013-09-19 12:21

(ノ益)ノ彡┻━┻

That was the weirdiest cliffhanger they could have ever done.
What was revealed during the very last part of the episode should have kept for the last episode of the series to build up the tension and lead to the conclusion.
Yet...
Spoiler for end of episode 12:

On the other hand, they finally made Monokuma more "proactive" in this episode, instead of being idle all the time.

Anyway, they cornered themselves so the final episode will be... rather awkward I guess.
Will post later the changes, but not as bad at last week, at the very least...

Spoiler for Episode 12 changes compared to the game:

MisaoFan 2013-09-19 13:07

Spoiler for Episode 12:

Solitaired 2013-09-19 13:48

Gonna watch it later. Just tell me, compared to the game is the hints of the mastermind more obvious? Or not given yet

Klashikari 2013-09-19 13:53

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Originally Posted by Solitaired (Post 4837395)
Gonna watch it later. Just tell me, compared to the game is the hints of the mastermind more obvious? Or not given yet

Much more obvious.

AC-Phoenix 2013-09-19 15:00

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Originally Posted by Klashikari (Post 4837400)
Much more obvious.

Did they add togami's accidental red Hering where
Spoiler for red hering:
?

Solitaired 2013-09-19 16:02

Alright finished it. If I'm not a gamer, I will love this episode. Though I can't complain much as I got my wish of having Junko for a full finale next episode.

The anime treats anime viewers as plain viewers, not doing any deductions on their own. Hence, they skip out many crucial hints. But looking back knowing this fact, it makes the anime much more enjoyable.

However, the only complaint I have for this series overall is Togami Byakuya. He is supposed to be up there with Naegi and Kirigiri as the 3 main characters. But all of his deductions and efforts in the game are given fully to both of them.


BEHOLD THE 6->7 PERSONALITIES OF ENOSHIMA JUNKO!!! GENOCIDER IS NOTHING!

AC-Phoenix 2013-09-19 17:57

The voice difference between Mukuru and Junko is even more apparent in the Anime, tbh both have voices you'd expect from the other rather than them.
(Was the same in the game though)
I had to lol a bit when she introduced herself as 'chan' though.

White Manju Bun 2013-09-20 15:56

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Originally Posted by Solitaired (Post 4837507)

However, the only complaint I have for this series overall is Togami Byakuya. He is supposed to be up there with Naegi and Kirigiri as the 3 main characters. But all of his deductions and efforts in the game are given fully to both of them.


I honestly felt he was until Class Trial 5. He was given a lot of screen time before which is why I had him pegged as making it thru this since it seemed like only characters with low screen time were being killed. But I agree since Trial 5 it's been mostly Kirigiri and Naegi, which I kinda get since they have to cut so much.

Still loved the epi, the twins part explains a lot of issues I had and Junko's dying words from epi 2 make a lot more sense now.

GreyZone 2013-09-20 16:57

So... next episode will be the final episode, but there are still 7 of 16 people alive. The mastermind Junko will probably die next episode, but then there are still 6 people alive... I got the feeling that there will be more deaths... Maybe Junko will introduce a "hardcore rule", which states that when you just give 1 wrong answer, you will be immidietly executed, or something like that. It would surely make a dramatic final.

ChampDream 2013-09-20 17:23

it was a nice episode!
they were throwing hints and hints that Junko was the mastermind in this episode like everywhere, also she seem to have more then one personality.
another thing is that I really like the trial, especially when Naegi reveal who was the matermind.
I can't wait to see how is this going to end.

HandofFate 2013-09-20 23:50

dang, didn't expect the Junko bit.

I remember a few episodes back, there was a magazine of Junko on it, wonder if that was a hint as well and if you could spot a difference in appearance..but they're twins anyway...doesn't look like it to me.

BloodyKitty 2013-09-21 00:36

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Originally Posted by HandofFate (Post 4839141)
dang, didn't expect the Junko bit.

I remember a few episodes back, there was a magazine of Junko on it, wonder if that was a hint as well and if you could spot a difference in appearance..but they're twins anyway...doesn't look like it to me.

Mukuro has freckles on her face while Junko does not.

Goty 2013-09-21 04:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandofFate (Post 4839141)
I remember a few episodes back, there was a magazine of Junko on it, wonder if that was a hint as well and if you could spot a difference in appearance..but they're twins anyway...doesn't look like it to me.

There was a hint back when Ohgami commented on how she looked different from the magazines.

Beside the freckles, another difference is that Junko appears to have bigger breasts, doesn't she? When she appeared in the video i wondered if Junko was always that well endowed. :heh:

Gohan78 2013-09-21 04:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klashikari (Post 4837276)

Spoiler for end of episode 12:

Well, they actually talked about Mukuro's multiple stab wounds when Fukawa and Naegi were examining the corpse.

Anime viewers like me can't make a guess at the culprit because many details are only given during the trials but I accepted this long ago. I suck at detective work anyway... I only managed to guess Leon because it was super-easy (the "diying message") and Celes purely on instinct (because she was the first one to be "attacked" by Justice Robot but only got a light bruise).

Quote:

Anyway, they cornered themselves so the final episode will be... rather awkward I guess.
As an anime-only viewer, I liked that they didn't make me wait another week to reveal the mastermind.
There are still plenty of misteries that I want answered in the finale episode: what the hell happened in that school? What is the "Biggest Despair in Human History"? Why did the 16 students accept to live at Kibougamine? Why were their memories erased? Why did Junko organize this weird survival game?

Goty 2013-09-21 05:18

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Originally Posted by Gohan78 (Post 4839363)
Well, they actually talked about Mukuro's multiple stab wounds when Fukawa and Naegi were examining the corpse.

Yeah, it was Fukawa, or rather, Genocide who mentioned Mukuro's corpse had multiple stabs.

And i agree, learning the "who" still doesn't solve the "how" and "why" of the whole thing, which always intrigued me more. As another anime-only viewer, i'm very interested in the last episode.

Solitaired 2013-09-21 05:20

I highly recommend to go YouTube to watch the final trial. No more spoilers from this point in as everything will be revealed by Junko herself. It's great that they managed to have a full 25 minutes for Junko's awesomeness, but I'm worried that the anime will screw it up.

For some Mukuro awesome, go find translations for Danganronpa IF. A non-canon alternate world where everyone gets to live. She and Naegi are the main characters there.

ookamigirl 2013-09-21 06:18

So they finally got access to all areas.
That should make the mystery solving much easier.
Monobear meddled in again when things were getting really interesting.
He also provided additional clues that complicated things.
Seems like they've had their memories wiped before the reality show began.
Naegi was really on a roll this time, impressive!
The mastermind is finally revealed. Wonder how it's gonna end.

Kirito 2013-09-21 10:08

Really great episode. As for who the Puppetmaster was is somewhat as of surprise, but at the same time it's wasn't. Thanks for Jan Poo and AC Phoenix in the speculations thread for giving me the answers and notes I needed to deduce the whole "one person whom we thought was dead was actually alive" and in turn was the Puppetmaster ie. Junko Enoshima - the real one. It's all about process of elimination, and most of the people who commented on here knows what they are, so no need to further beat that dead horse.

It makes sense that the two are twins due to the fact that she truly looked like her, but couldn't really "act the part" in a figurative sense. It's to be expected since it's one different person trying to act out someone she isn't, and in turn was not only a accomplice, but a victim, and a stepping stone in an effort to throw the others off balance. Sucks that we don't get a chance to see Mukuro as herself, since she's actually quite cute. Why did you have to break the school rules, Mukuro:( I wanted to know more about you.

The real Junko is really...something. Despite her short appearance we see a little bit of her awkwardly villainous traits. I really like the whole personality swap she pulled every few seconds... is this chick bipolar? If so then I wonder if there's more to her than what we've seen at this time.

I don't know why anyone hasn't noticed or discussed this, but there's a big contradiction between this episode and the ending credits up from episode 2-11 etc. Hint: It's something Makoto received from Monokuma.:eyespin:

Triple_R 2013-09-21 10:44

I get the argument that it would have been better to save the big Monokuma/mastermind reveal for the final episode, but there is a trade-off here.

By making the reveal now, you get a bit more time to showcase the mastermind behind the Monokuma mask. Having the main antagonist reveal herself, and presumably get defeated, all in the same last episode, would probably leave her having less of an impact than she ought to. Hard for a villain to look cool when they're going down to defeat right after they take center stage. :heh:

By doing it this way, the real Junko gets a bit of spotlight and a nice cliffhanger moment before she presumably gets defeated in the finale.


I also will say that I love how Makoto went about deducing who the mastermind is. He did some impressive Detective work in this episode, to the point of outshining Kirigiri (to be fair, Kirigiri was clearly numbed a bit by confirming the death of her father).

Monokuma's final episode as the Mastermind's mask was also a good one for the bear.


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