AnimeSuki.com Forum

AnimeSuki Forum (http://forums.animesuki.com/index.php)
-   Monogatari Series (http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?f=94)
-   -   Monogatari Series Second Season - Episode 15 Discussion / Poll (Shinobu Time II) (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=122669)

Kairin 2013-11-01 21:37

Monogatari Series Second Season - Episode 15 Discussion / Poll (Shinobu Time II)
 
Welcome to the discussion thread for Monogatari Series Second Season, Episode 15.

Thread Guidelines
  • Raw requests and offers are not permitted anywhere on this forum.
  • Spoilers or hints about future events must not be posted in this thread.
    If you need to reference something that would spoil a future event, reply directly with a private message, or seek out a more appropriate thread.
  • Discuss your expectations of the episode if it has not aired yet.
  • Be polite to your fellow forum members.
  • Please try to keep the discussion on-topic.
  • Do not post multiple times in a row. Please edit your existing post if you wish to add additional thoughts.
Episode Thread Spoiler Policy
  • Any comment that discloses events, characters, plot or other information before it is revealed in the anime is expressly forbidden whether or not it is behind spoiler tags.
    Spoiler tags should still be used where appropriate.
    Please consult the AnimeSuki Spoiler Policy for more information.
  • Adding a Spoiler tag:
    Just highlight your spoiler and click the button found
    on the "Quick Reply" and "Reply to Thread" forms.
    Make sure that you include a useful title!
  • Please use the Report button if you see any inappropriate spoilers:
    Click the button found to the left of the post, just under the poster's avatar.
    Using the Report button is anonymous and helps the Moderators
    locate and deal with problems quickly.
  • Posting inappropriate spoilers may result in a ban.
    Note: Reporting a post does not mean the poster will be banned instantly.
    The Moderators will use bans if warnings are repeatedly ignored.

omimon 2013-11-02 10:30

I had a feeling since the beginning that they were gonna use stitches to show Shinobu's story.

Also

Dynamic tag cannot be rendered. (PrintableThread) When did we invent high heels? I feel we have a historical inconsistency here.

ultimate_noob 2013-11-02 10:33

The ancient slideshow scrolls of shaft. Those pictures where very nice to look at. Especially dat one kisshot picture.

EDIT: Nice one, omimon! You caught it!

Vallen Chaos Valiant 2013-11-02 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by omimon (Post 4894144)
When did we invent high heels? I feel we have a historical inconsistency here.

Funny enough, high heels are ancient. But of course the ones she is wearing are modern. Funny enough the Rider's Heel first appeared in the 1600's, which is just around the time Heart Under Blade was made into a vampire. Coincidence?:D

Romanticide 2013-11-02 13:22

that was an interesting ep. nice to see the first, though i wanted to see his face. the style o animation for that time period was cool.

Raymondjram 2013-11-02 14:12

This story was very different. The paintings were well done, and as Shinobu narrated her story, the paintings were moving to show the images of her narration. Some may not like this, because we see only Shinobu and Koyomi in the anime yet her narrations has other persons that we will never meet.

The nude Kiss-Shot was not expected. But it is really out of place with those white shoes! I saw one picture of her in color that was based on the only drawing of Kiss-Shot that exists in the light novel, where she was at Antarctica with the hand of the other character. It was so fast that many would not recognized it. I wish I could see an animated Kiss-Shot (and hear her adult voice) as she was shown at the end of Kabukimonogatari.

BTW, Shinbu expressed about polar bears and penguins at the beginning. For those who didn't know it, the name "Antarctica" means opposite to Arctica, where polar bears are local and unique to the region. So there are no polar bears in Antarctica. If this was written by Nisio Isin, he was wrong.

Now the Monogatari fans know where the famous "Kokorowatari" blade came from. I knew it from the novel. Koyomi mentioned that Kiss-Shot saved him from burning in the sun when he was a full vampire, and that is part of Kizumonogatari. We need that novel animated to understand all these comments and hints that have appeared in the other stories.

Vallen Chaos Valiant 2013-11-02 14:18

I am curious about the relatively tiny short sword the guy had next to the giant blade. I have a pet theory that it might be important, but it is mostly my private fanon.

FelynxTiger 2013-11-02 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant (Post 4894341)
I am curious about the relatively tiny short sword the guy had next to the giant blade. I have a pet theory that it might be important, but it is mostly my private fanon.

Well the long sword its the Kokorowatari and the short one is Yumewatari *.*

Vallen Chaos Valiant 2013-11-02 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by FelynxTiger (Post 4894351)
Well the long sword its the Kokorowatari and the short one is Yumewatari *.*

I basically rushed through most of the novels in Chinese so I might have missed it. Anyway, as I say my fanon is that the tiny short sword could be a Chekhov's gun for the finale.

shinyaNakagawa 2013-11-02 17:23

I feel weird.
The episode was good anyway.

DorkingtonPugsly 2013-11-02 22:07

Was good, got to see more kisshot, but I guess just having the scrolling thing was just kind of a bit slow. Wasn't as impactful as when I read it.

VoidMiracle 2013-11-02 22:47

KizuFkenWhen?

DorkingtonPugsly 2013-11-03 00:56

Actually liked the first piece of music they played. It was good, will look forward to it.

Dodgers 2013-11-03 06:24

The usage of still shots may seem cheap at first, but I actually liked how they constantly switched back and forth between western and eastern drawing styles to match the story Shinobu told, which was fairly interesting with how she was worshipped as a god and actually helped people, instead of just wandering around and sucking people's blood every once in a while.

If I had to make a guess based on this episode, I'd say the reason the "darkness" appeared was because Shinobu was acknowledged as something entirely else than she was (let alone at a time when vampires apparently weren't known in Japan at all), and the fact that the people around her area dissappeared makes me even more suspicious.

blakstealth 2013-11-03 11:35

Aw, no OP.

Nonetheless, it was an awesome episode. More Shinobu is always welcome.

Kanon 2013-11-03 11:42

Shaft is one of those rare studios that can make a slide show work. This might have been done due to budget constraint, but I thought it was actually pretty clever and artistic to tell Shinobu's story like that. I loved it.

The circumstances of her first minion's birth were quite different from what I had imagined. When reading Kizu, I had been under the impression she deeply loved him and that's why she turned him but in reality it was a rather impulsive decision.

The dark ball of doom remains very mysterious. It seems like it appears because Shinobu was playing god, but if that's the case then why did it appear again now? Is it trying to finish the job it started 400 years ago?

Quote:

Originally Posted by omimon (Post 4894144)
I had a feeling since the beginning that they were gonna use stitches to show Shinobu's story.

Also

Dynamic tag cannot be rendered. (PrintableThread) When did we invent high heels? I feel we have a historical inconsistency here.

Who cares about the heels? Just look at her! :love:

monir 2013-11-04 03:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by omimon (Post 4894144)
Dynamic tag cannot be rendered. (PrintableThread) When did we invent high heels? I feel we have a historical inconsistency here.

Yes, that screenshot was captured solely for the sake of demonstrating the historical inconsistency at play about high heels. :heh: Good observation! :D

This episode once again yells and screams why I like this series so much. Shinobu was telling a story. And it is a pretty boring story, but the visual and the music comes together to make the storytelling so compelling. I was so entrenched. Loved every minute of it.

00Coyote 2013-11-04 10:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by monir (Post 4896169)
This episode once again yells and screams why I like this series so much. Shinobu was telling a story. And it is a pretty boring story, but the visual and the music comes together to make the storytelling so compelling. I was so entrenched. Loved every minute of it.

This episode highlights probably the thing I like most about SHAFT.

They can tell a story.

Despite their oddities, quirks and fixations, most of the time they nail the storytelling. A proper storyteller can make a good story great, and even make a weak or boring story enjoyable. Not many companies do it as well as SHAFT. Some have better technical execution, most have better time management, but SHAFT takes voice work, backgrounds, sometimes uses animation, music and edits it together into something that is far stronger than the sum of the parts.

Or perhaps I like their brand of insanity.

Shikijin 2013-11-04 13:57

I just want to clarify something: in the book the chapters where Shinobu told her story were written in a particular style (ie there was the opening quotation mark at the beginning of each sentence but no closing quotation mark). Between these chapters there were the other chapters where Araragi and Shinobu talked. Shaft rendered the story chapters with still pictures, contrasted with normal animation for the Araragi and Shinobu scenes. I think it was very well done.

dmaxzero 2013-11-04 19:04

Loved the chapter.
Finally read Kizu and damn... This whole thing feels somewhat complemented.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 20:44.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.