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TheFluff 2005-12-19 02:45

The H.264/AVC/MPEG4 discussion thread
 
In memoriam: Zero1's Longposts. So much work lost... T_T It could however be argued that the world is a better place without all the old flames.

In any case, let's start anew! It was interesting last time, no reason for it not to be so again.

Jekyll 2005-12-19 11:26

While reconstructing the Rozen Maiden ~träumend~ thread, I stumbled over my archived copies of the "H.264 = what the hell" thread, so all is not lost (actually, it seems to be complete). I fixed the links and zipped the whole thing. It can be downloaded here.

Sylf 2005-12-19 11:42

Very nice!
I knew we weren't done talking about this subject. In fact, we were only getting warmed up for more.

DryFire 2005-12-19 12:27

I believe the last post was TheFluff saying Anime Lit's Angel heart releases were upsized and then another of zero1's long posts.

Very nice find Jekyll.

madlobster 2005-12-19 13:17

Anyone have any tips for converting h.264 to xvid, preferrably from the command line? I've tried ffmpeg, but the audio gets far out of sync with the video I used to test it. (Lunar's Bleach 59) Video quality isn't my greatest concern here, since I'll be watching it on a TV (not HD), but the audio should at least sync with the video...

DryFire 2005-12-19 13:57

have you tried virtual dub mod?

Or loading an avisynth script into virtualdub?

Why not download the xvid releases?

Sylf 2005-12-19 15:48

If you want command line, then mencoder comes to mind.
For conversion and other technical questions, Tech Support Forum is better place to ask.

The old version of this thread was about discussion (pro's, con's, etc) of h.264/AVC, not technical support surrounding the technology.

TheFluff 2005-12-19 16:13

K-F has a guide about it, but only for VirtualDub/Avisynth. http://www2.kaizoku-fansubs.com/foru...opic.php?id=29

Of course, mencoder would work as well...

Sylf 2005-12-19 16:15

o.o
The page is gone... so...
Here's the google cache version

TheFluff 2005-12-19 16:27

I noticed, so I changed the link to the forum version...

Eeknay 2005-12-20 13:17

Ok, can't remember if this was done already in the old thread, but how far have you managed to push the capabilities of h264 before it becomes fugly?

One episode of Pretty Cure I tested on I got down to 100MB (including audio, so about 80MB video) and it was only slightly worse than the 233MB xvid. Even then I wasn't using teh uber l33t settings (can't remember what I used exactly... something like 8 mixed refs, 2 b-frames, rdo1, blocking 1,1). I'll probably do another one once I get back to my decent computer and test some more.

Ulayo 2005-12-20 13:39

What could ever be wrong with H.264? It has superior quality over the previous mpeg4 based incarnations (xvid & divx). Plus it isn't really anymore difficult to get it to play at your computer than any other codec.

Eeknay 2005-12-20 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulayo
What could ever be wrong with H.264? It has superior quality over the previous mpeg4 based incarnations (xvid & divx). Plus it isn't really anymore difficult to get it to play at your computer than any other codec.

Mostly it boils down to

"Grrr I can't get it work on my 386 with 2MB of RAM"
"Grrr it won't work on my standalone"
"Grrr I don't know how to install codecs"

PastPrime 2005-12-20 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeknay
Mostly it boils down to

"Grrr I can't get it work on my 386 with 2MB of RAM"
"Grrr it won't work on my standalone"
"Grrr I don't know how to install codecs"

How about Grr, my video card was starting to die and I didn't realize the cause until I started having problems with all my video files.

Jekyll 2005-12-20 15:18

I also found the, ah, slightly inflammable CCCP vs VLC thread (complete, 4 pages). ZIP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeknay
Mostly it boils down to

Also, once in a while there are people that are afraid of change, just because it's different from the olden ways.

RaistlinMajere 2005-12-20 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by PastPrime
How about Grr, my video card was starting to die and I didn't realize the cause until I started having problems with all my video files.

Er, k, but that isn't H.264 related.

deathbygirl 2005-12-20 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeknay
Mostly it boils down to

"Grrr I can't get it work on my 386 with 2MB of RAM"
"Grrr it won't work on my standalone"
"Grrr I don't know how to install codecs"

lol @ this; Also another (future) lol @ the people who will contest this claim, even though their case will somehow (most likely) fall into one of the three claims mentioned here.

hikaru2895 2005-12-21 00:38

I can't play it on my Athon 600 w/ 128MB Ram and 32MB Geforce 256...

Sylf 2005-12-21 00:56

Time to upgrade.

PastPrime 2005-12-21 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaistlinMajere
Er, k, but that isn't H.264 related.

I had my first problems the first time I tried to play an H264 encoded file and, while I was able to get it to work, it wasn't right. And for a number of months I only noticed problems, slowly getting worse, when I tried to play H264 encoded files. Guess what I blamed. It was when I started having problems with all my video files that I realized it might be the video card.


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