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Luminion Lancer 2006-02-18 20:13

Bloodline Limit for Naruto?
 
This is an idea that has intrigued me with the latest chapter release. I an sure that many are aware of the fact that Naruto's and the Kyuubi's chakra reserves are slowly but surely merging together as one. When the merger is complete it is more than likely that the seal Yondaime placed on Naruto's stomach will disappear (since all seals have to break eventually this is a logical assumpion). What I would like to discuss is theories about what happens after the seal is gone as well as other possibilities.

The way I see it there are 2 possibilities:
1) The Kyuubi will take over Naruto's mind and become the dominant of the 2.

-OR-

2) Both Naruto and the Kyuubi reach a sort of "spiritual balence/agreement" and the Kyubi's power becomes Naruto's kekkei genkai (Bloodline limit).

Keep in mind that these are just theories that may or may not become fact. Also notice that I didn't include a possibility that the Kyuubi just goes away. This is because, wheter we like it or not, the Kyuubi is an essential part of Naruto's character. Naruto would never have turned out the way he had if it weren't for the Kyuubi.

Anime+ 2006-02-18 20:19

If I had to choose, I would go for number 2. However, I think the Kyubi's power will just be granted to Naruto. This is something to think about.

Rachy 2006-02-18 20:29

I think the number 1 theory would happen, more drama.. narutos all about drama.

Mr. Johnny 5 2006-02-18 20:43

Probably and most logical thing would be that Naruto is fighting against the Kyuubi.

Dont be suprised if this happens:

- Naruto is (21) and finally Hokage...he is reaching his peak
- On a day of private training (with Kyuubi force ofcourse) he gets in pain...he gets into an spiritual state...

While in this state he is in a different world (like Tsukyomi) this time its a battle for control...if Naruto wins, then the Kyuubi's conscious will disappear and the Kyuubi force will be 100% under Naruto's control...

if Naruto loses...he will lose himself...and the Kyuubi will come in permanent control..fully transforming Naruto into the real Kyuubi.

Eitherway...the seal will fully disappear and Naruto's & Konoha's fate is on the line..

The outcome will probably will mean the end of the Naruto-series...

Luminion Lancer 2006-02-19 00:07

Reply to Mr. Johnny 5:

You bring up an interesting point. However if both Naruto and the Kyuubi's spirits/minds are one then making one disappear would mean death for the both of them. Like I said before, Naruto is a part of the Kyuubi and in turn the Kyubi is a part of him. They are parts of a whole which led me to ask the question wheter or not the Kyuubi could become Naruto's bloodline limit.

*PS: I am not trying start an argument war with anyone. I simply want to discuss various possibilities that could occur when the seal eventually breaks.

Also Mr. Johnny 5 I happen to agree with you on the "Konoha's fate is on the line" statement. No matter how you look at it when the seal is gone the fate of Konoha will rest with Naruto.

Zek 2006-02-19 00:54

The seal is Naruto's defense against Kyuubi's influence. This is shown symbolically when Kyuubi says he wants to eat Naruto but the cage is in the way during their first meeting. If the seal wears off, Naruto will be on equal terms with Kyuubi in their body, and Kyuubi will most likely immediately overcome him seeing as he is far stronger in both body and mind. Kyuubi has no interest in existing in symbiosis, he wants to regain his own powers again and begin where he left off.

That would be the logical case, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's what will happen... I think it's likely that in the future Naruto will gain true control over Kyuubi's chakra, without the stages of Kyuubification. That's the only way he has any chance of being Hokage, since he's way too unstable as it is. However, there is no plausible way for him to accomplish this without the aid of a seal, so unless he gets somebody to renew it Kishimoto is going to have some explaining to do.

MysticNinjaJay 2006-02-19 03:35

If Kyuubi's seal breaks I belief that is checkmate for Naruto.

The look of fear on the faces of people when it is indicated that the seal might break indicates that something bad will happen.

Typically I think of the seal on Kyuubi as him literally being kept in a cage.

If the seal breaks I believe Kyuubi will in some form become physically free. Either he will break free of Naruto and regain his position as a demon with a physical form or he will transform Naruto into his original body (sort of like Gaara and Shukaku).

Jinchurikii are supposed to die if the demon in their body is extracted so that may be the end of Naruto. But if the seal is broken (rather than the demon extracted) perhaps the demon simply frees itself and the Jinchurikii lives.

UberDork 2006-02-19 09:57

yeah!!!

that sounds really special...

Syaoran 2006-02-19 11:42

Should Kyuubi become part of Naruto like a bloodline limit, would that imply that when Naruto get married happily and gets a son or daughter, they would automatically enhirit part of Kyuubi's chakra ? Some people in Konoha might just go extermininate his little Uzumaki clan :'(

It wouldn't be a bloodline limit like Sharingan or Byakugan, but that's what you say as well. But it's true that it would be very interesting if Naruto could develop a real bloodline limit with it... Just image the impact on the story, Konoha, other characters if that happens.

Mr. Johnny 5 2006-02-19 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShurikenJay
If Kyuubi's seal breaks I belief that is checkmate for Naruto.

The look of fear on the faces of people when it is indicated that the seal might break indicates that something bad will happen.

Typically I think of the seal on Kyuubi as him literally being kept in a cage.

If the seal breaks I believe Kyuubi will in some form become physically free. Either he will break free of Naruto and regain his position as a demon with a physical form or he will transform Naruto into his original body (sort of like Gaara and Shukaku).

Jinchurikii are supposed to die if the demon in their body is extracted so that may be the end of Naruto. But if the seal is broken (rather than the demon extracted) perhaps the demon simply frees itself and the Jinchurikii lives.

That would be if it happend right now...but by the time the seal will snap is Naruto probably strong enough on his own to make a final stand against the Kyuubi...like the 4th did..

I believe the key, facts & possibilities lie with Gaara he is the answer...

Luminion Lancer 2006-02-19 14:56

Actually the reason I would like to believe that the Kyuubi could become Naruto's bloodline limit is because the chakra that the Kyuubi posseses is supernatural. We all know that chakra cannot be seen without a special implement (i.e: Sharingan and the Byakugan, etc). If you recall Haku's comment when he first witnesses the Kyuubi manifestation he said "Chakra cannot be seen under normal circumstances yet this one is clearly visible". Even when Naruto took on the 4-tailed state Kyuubi's chakra was able to appear on the physical plane and not on just the astral plane so long as it has a medium/catalyst (in this case Naruto's blood).

As for the possibility of Naruto fighting Kyuubi in his mind for the dominion of his soul then the fight would be equal. According to philosophy the souls of all living beings is equal even if their physical differences are not. In that perspective the soul of a mouse is just as strong as the soul of the cat that clearly has the physical advantage. Therefore, though it may not seem like it now, the souls of Naruto and the Kyuubi are equal in power.

Vizard.King 2007-07-16 09:42

or if it breaks naruto will be able to give up his soul or some contract thing will take place letting naruto turn into a hybrid kyubi at will in return for some dear to him(like ramen:) ) but knowing naruto's personalities im very doubtful he would do that

Mr. Johnny 5 2007-07-16 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto (Post 482684)
Reply to Mr. Johnny 5:

You bring up an interesting point. However if both Naruto and the Kyuubi's spirits/minds are one then making one disappear would mean death for the both of them. Like I said before, Naruto is a part of the Kyuubi and in turn the Kyubi is a part of him. They are parts of a whole which led me to ask the question wheter or not the Kyuubi could become Naruto's bloodline limit.

*PS: I am not trying start an argument war with anyone. I simply want to discuss various possibilities that could occur when the seal eventually breaks.

Also Mr. Johnny 5 I happen to agree with you on the "Konoha's fate is on the line" statement. No matter how you look at it when the seal is gone the fate of Konoha will rest with Naruto.

I understand your points but....see it like this: Naruto was orginally born without the Kyuubi...and then after his birth the 4th put his soul in Naruto.

I will just mention a few movies and series i followed and something like this happened:

Xena (series) The Greek Gods died and somehow Hercules (half god) survived.
Blade 3 - Biological weapon to kill all vampires...this is the best example i think.
All vampires died...but blade survived...we arent sure whether he lost his powers though...

I think each one of them can survive. It's like....exorsism 2 souls...live in 1 body.
One can die (disappear) the other one can survive. The most dominant soul always takes control. In this case the demon (Kyuubi) is the dominant one but is held back because of the cage.

Suna no tate 2007-07-16 13:27

naruto talks to kyubi and finally figures out how to use those kyubi eyes for some sort of doujutsu.

Luminion Lancer 2007-07-16 16:45

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-Oh geez, this is certainly a blast from the past for me. The very 1st thread I created too. Le gasp :heh:. I seem to have overlooked something when I made this thread and that is: if the Kyuubi were to become a Kekkei Genkai for Naruto in order for it to be considered that fully it's traits should pass on to Naruto's offsprings and descendants, shouldn't it? But that begets the question: can a spiritual/immaterial presence be passed down through physical means? We know the Kyuubi's influence can affect Naruto on the physical level (he grows fangs, claws, his eyes change etc...) but can it do the same thing to a being other than him?

blacktail fox 2007-07-16 16:52

i also think its possible that naruto gets a blood limit. ever since he started fighting in shippuden he has been using the red eyes to fight. i think those kyubi enhanced eyes are powerful but naruto is not smart enough to use it to its full potential. he (naruto) might need kakashi to help him unlock the true power of the kyubi chakara eyes naruto is using just like the power of the kage bunshi naruto had been using for years was unlocked by kakashi. and again kakashi unlocked the power of the MS sharingan a secret power of a clan. so i beleive that if there is any one to help naruto utilise his kyubi eyes to full power it is the jutsu specialist MS kakashi.

Luminion Lancer 2007-07-16 17:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blacktail fox (Post 1045348)
i also think its possible that naruto gets a blood limit. ever since he started fighting in shippuden he has been using the red eyes to fight. i think those kyubi enhanced eyes are powerful but naruto is not smart enough to use it to its full potential. he (naruto) might need kakashi to help him unlock the true power of the kyubi chakara eyes naruto is using just like the power of the kage bunshi naruto had been using for years was unlocked by kakashi. and again kakashi unlocked the power of the MS sharingan a secret power of a clan. so i beleive that if there is any one to help naruto utilise his kyubi eyes to full power it is the jutsu specialist MS kakashi.

-I am not really sure why there's a lot of talk about Naruto's Kyuubi-fied eyes. They are just one of the traits that confirm Naruto's useage of the Kyuubi's chakra. The real deal of these transformations lies in Naruto's performance. So far the know effect of the Kyuubi's chakra are: improved healing, MASSIVE chakra increase as well as restoration, increased strenght, speed, and reaction time. This is present in every single state that Naruto has achieved (excluding the 4 Tailed State which is almost nothing like his other forms). So really, the eyes have very little to do with it. They're just there to make Naruto look cooler I think. Of course I could be quite wrong since I do not have a psychic link with Kishimoto's brain to understand everything...

BlackShinobi07 2007-07-17 21:18

If the kyuubi was to merge with Naruto i dont think Naruto would get a bloobline limit. Theres really nothing too special about the kyuubi except for his powerfull and unlimited chakra supply. Maybe a cool bloodline limit for Naruto would be the ability to surpress all all other bloodline limits because his of spiritual balence/agreement with the fox makes his chakra even more powerfull than the kyuubi original chakra.

XileXKing 2007-07-17 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Rave (Post 482514)
I think the number 1 theory would happen, more drama.. narutos all about drama.

I would agree on #2. The series would end too quickly if Naruto and Kyuubi were going to just bond together. Naruto is all about action. :D

chord 2007-07-18 10:48

Blood line limit is possible
 
The blood line limit is possible if we stop to think why Naruto was chosen he has a special kind of Chakra. That's what Yamotto said to Sakura. But what if this special Chakra was a gift from the fourth Hokage, maybe the Fourth Hokage being Naruto's older brother, and yes he is his brother think about it Naruto and Sasuke are very parralel. In the case that Itachi killed all the people in his clan. Itachie couldn't kill everyone in the village all though he could, but if he did then that would make it impossible for there to be a Naruto or a Sasuke. The fourth Hokage saved everyone in the village including the Uchiha clan from the fox.
So if its true that Sasuke and Naruto are parralel, then one brother killed everyone that was close to him and the others brother saved everyone important to him.
But anyway back to the blood limit. I think it is possible becasue the Chakra was put into him so that one day it could seep out to protect Naruto. Maybe if he does the Reaper seal Jutsu and sacrifices the fox then his and fox's chakra will mesh and he will become the only one to survive the reaper seal. Plus I though the fox had something to do with the Uchiha's Sharingun. Maybe Kikashi can teach Naruto how to use the fox eyes as a sort of Sharingun but only faster.
What are Naruto's Element's Wind, and Fire but from the fox he gets a vast amount of Wind and Lightning. Maybe he can harnest all the elements the one's the fox and his own. And make the Chidori-Blazing-Whorl-Wind Rensengan. He can use all the elements some day, if he learns how to use all of them. I think Naruto will become the fox, maybe even have redish hair and his eyes will stay the fox, but he will still have the personality of Naruto. I think that's what all this si comming down to is either the fox will break free after Naruto becomes a hokage or he will just supress the fox and make the chakra his own after the seal wear's off. He may even have to go with in him self and do the reaper seal Jutus to the fox after the meshing of the chakra, not killing him self, but putting the fox deeper inside of him. Plus the fox is in a cage if the cage shrink's then want the fox shrink as well. If the Fox Chakra is meshing with Naruto's and the soal of the fox is pure chakra at the rate the seal is shrinking then would the fox shrink as well until it becomes nothing or is the fox out growing the cage? I haven't seen any Shippuden Ep. I live in America, I just love to talk about theory's.


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