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kj1980 2006-07-18 11:42

Higurashi Episode 16 Discussion / Poll
 
Welcome to the discussion thread for Higurashi no Naku Koroni, Episode 16.

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  • Make sure you read the English wikipedia article for Higurashi no Naku Koroni before you ask questions!!!
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Rasuberi 2006-07-18 20:29

Aa, now I'm confused. I enjoyed the episode, but now I don't know what to think of any of my theories when it comes to Shion. Shion~

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Sushi-Y 2006-07-18 20:45

Holy cow, is Hinamizawa famous for producing people with superhuman powers or something? :twitch: People getting tossed/blown against walls like they're made of paper... :heh:

But still, hurting my beloved Satoko... Shion... 許せない :mad:

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Now then, for some general comments.

To start off, I'd like to say that the flow of the episode was not bad. It's much more composed compared to the earlier chapters (where events flew by at light speeds) However, there were a few points in the episode were the development would suddenly jump ahead, leave you hanging for a bit before you can catch up. For game players like me, we can follow the story easily enough (by filling in the missing spots with what we already know from the game), but I wonder if the anime watchers can keep up with the story. It's also possible that all the swappings between Mion and Shion can become confusing too.

Oh the other hand, the animation quality was quite stable. Satoshi's design and voice were both pretty spot on (Kobayashi Yuu was a slightly surprising choice though ( ・ω・ )). Shion was very cute too. ^^

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Hanatori 2006-07-18 23:46

Actually it wasn't that bad, I could tell that Shion liked Satoshi from the first time they were together. o_o; Satoshi~ I was caught off-guard by his voice, though. But I like him already.

Crazy me, I've already watched this 3 times. >_<; I rarely do that with raws.

I wonder what will happen between Mion and Satoshi now that Shion didn't quite give him the best impression...

So... Keiichi does not show up at all? ._.;

kj1980 2006-07-19 13:45

Most likely the best adaptation of the game to anime episode I have seen recently for Higurashi. Sure, it still left out some pieces here and there, but this one was paced quite evenly.

I was surprised to hear that they used Kobayashi Yuu for Satoshi. Hmm, perhaps she'll was the one selected in advance for Satoshi in future drama CDs? Nice to know as she is becoming one of my favorite seiyuus ever since her excellent role as Secchan in those Negima CDs.

Mika-P crying for over 2 and a half minutes! Now that's a great professional voice acting work right there!

And I guess my theory was indeed correct: kids living in rural areas back before the eras of video games are more energetic and powerful. Must be the excercise and they get everyday going out into the woods.

USCPharmacist 2006-07-19 18:11

and level up...killing oyashiro sama's bits

Flame-X 2006-07-19 20:12

HOLY CRAP! O.O

lol one little push, everyone gets tossed XD

USCPharmacist 2006-07-20 11:51

I am only basing this on the anime, so the game player might disagree with me, but I really hate Shion now. I think she is an obsessive, compulsive, selfish bastard who only think about herself and not other. Also she is either really dumb or her obsession made her handling the situation with Satoshi very poorly. I think part of the reason of her selfishness was due to her rich girl experience and isolation. She thought that she was the most important person in the world from her statue and she felt she was a victim because of her isolation so the world owed her something.

There was nothing wrong for her to fall in love with Satoshi at first sight. However she then became "jealous" of Satoko. Yes, she claimed she hated her because Satoko caused suffering for Satoshi but I think that's a self denial. She didn't like her because Satoko was too clining to Satoshi, so that Satoshi had to pay all of his attention to her instead of Shion. I meant, any normal person, like Keiichi hahaha, would see that the villains were the uncle and aunt, and perhaps the villagers. How could she blame Satoko for getting scare from abusive foster parents. Shion should've call children service first instead of beating to crap out of Satoko for crying (although a crying kid can be very annoying but that's not an excuse eheheh). If Shion really love Satoshi the smart thing to do is to first lose the disguise. I understand the situation but she was inconsidered for Mion if she continue to use her image for stupid thing. Second, Shion should help out Satoshi to take care of his sister first. It didn't matter if that'll hellp the situation but at least Satoshi would be grateful. It was true that Satoshi might really want to ditch his sister but Shion would be stupid to think he'll do it publically. but I think that Shion just didn't have any patient, she wanted Satoshi now, instead of spending time to woo him and also sacrified a bit of herself to help Satoshi. She acted as if she wanted to eliminate everything in Satoshi's life so he can only think about her. That's very selfish if you ask me. Of course, if people were not fucked up in Higurashi, we wouldn't have all these crazy murder to begin with :)

Sushi-Y 2006-07-20 15:34

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Originally Posted by USCPharmacist
I am only basing this on the anime, so the game player might disagree with me

No, I think those are very reasonable observations. Shion is actually a very intelligent person, she's just blind and impulsive when it comes to love.

Your observations are pretty much the same as what I had when I was at this point in the game. It's a good mindset to have because you can see how your opinion will change as the chapter progresses. It'd be interesting to hear what people think about Shion right now and hear from them again after the chapter ends.

USCPharmacist 2006-07-20 18:26

It would probably takes a lot to change my opinion, even if Shion past is really tragic because being in a tough situation and falling in love doesn't give you the right to beat the crap out of someone else unprovoke (no, crying loud is not a justifiable offense). My beef is not really the violent, because I watch Higurashi for that :) but the fact that she pick on Satoko instead of the Aunt and Uncle.

Does she really believe that beating Satoshi's sister in front of everybody will make the supposely compasionate brother find you hot, in your sister appearence? hahaha lol

TougeSil80 2006-07-21 08:22

This ep is a little confusing for me. Is this the beginning of the Answer Arc, or is this still Question Arc? Thanks.

LostBlue 2006-07-21 10:12

Answer. Answer Arcs don't solve everything in one go. But they do reveal A LOT of info and completely crush incorrect theories.

Shiroth 2006-07-24 17:30

So the first answer arc begins, yay for a lot more Shion. Its good to finally get to see Satoshi, not shocking at all how people thought Keiichi was him.. i'd say its only the hair color/eyes that are different.

I was pretty much just waiting for Shion to snap at Satoko, you could just see it coming from the Rena & Shion talk. You just gotta feel sorry for Shion & Satoko.. ;_;

Next episode looks like its gonna get even more crazy, & i'm missing Keiichi.. ^^;

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Rias 2006-07-24 17:50

This epsiode made me think about the events in Watanagashi-hen...the fact that Shion can take Mion's place, without anyone noticing...makes me wonder about the events that happened at the last epsiode...

I wonder how Rena ties into this, after all, this arc is supposed to solve the Onikakushi-hen, no?

kj1980 2006-07-24 17:54

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Originally Posted by Rias
This epsiode made me think about the events in Watanagashi-hen...the fact that Shion can take Mion's place, without anyone noticing...makes me wonder about the events that happened at the last epsiode...

I wonder how Rena ties into this, after all, this arc is supposed to solve the Onikakushi-hen, no?

Read the English wikipedia article for Higurashi no Naku Koroni carefully:

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Meakashi-hen (目明し編, Detective Chapter?), (Released December 30, 2004)
Answer to Watanagashi-hen. It is practically the same as Watanagashi-hen, however this story is told from a different person's perspective which allows the player to understand the mysteries of that chapter.
Note the word "practically the same" as well. It denotes a hint.

BakaOnna 2006-07-24 18:14

Now I understand why Shion was the gamers' least favorite character out of the main ones. She was sure a violent girl. Like others have mentioned, people from Hinamizawa have super strength. :heh:

Anyway, this was the first 10 I've given in a while, since episode 8 and ep. 4 before that. I really enjoyed seeing events through Shion's POV, and I also liked the sister relationship the twins have with each other. But I do miss Keiichi since he's one of my faves. :p

Sushi-Y 2006-07-24 18:25

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If that's the case, you might as well buy the game and try to go through it yourself that way. ^^; If you already have a gist of the story from the anime anyway.

There were a few memorable moments from the game (for me) that this episode covered:
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Shiroth 2006-07-24 18:30

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Originally Posted by Sushi-Y
If that's the case, you might as well buy the game and try to go through it yourself that way. ^^; If you already have a gist of the story from the anime anyway.

My japanese could be able to get me through the game.. maybe the PS2 version.

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There were a few memorable moments from the game (for me) that this episode covered:
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Thanks a lot Sushi, i'll probably rewatch the episode with these tracks playing at the right times, see what i get. ^_^

Matrim 2006-07-24 18:38

I expected the answer arc to cover the same time period as Watanagashi but once again this series managed to surprise me. For the first time I could not wait and watched the raw first but didn't post here before watching the sub to get a clearer picture of the events. Impressive episode - I voted 9, not 10 because of the stupid incredibly strong athletes that seem to live in Hinamizawa according to the anime scriptwriters.

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Paracelsus 2006-07-24 19:18

Awesome episode, lots of answers, but still, I wonder:

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And Sushi-Y: I think Satoko became so strong and dependable, thanks to that wrestling match with True Mion <.<


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