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Shay 2006-10-14 10:36

For people like me who have not read the manga nor know any spoilers. People who be new to this great story.

Light, has the advantage that; for the moment he is in no way connected to any of his victims. He also has a "companion" Yes, Ruyk's motives for hanging around are a little vague but he could still well play a valuable role in Light's endeavours. Time will tell. Also, Light is still young, surely far from suspicion, or is he? Could being such a commendable student be a shortcoming? Over-confidence is often an Achilles' heel!

L, from the little we have seen, seems a most worthy adversary to say the least! In a matter of minutes, albeit on a hunch, he was able to determine that the murders could be done from afar, and narrow it down to one guy from one region. Also he has concluded that for a murder of this calibre to take place certain conditions must be met. I have to admit I like his style.

So on first impressions, who do you think has the upper hand in this game of wits?

musouka 2006-10-14 10:56

As of episode 2, I'd say both of them are equal. Neither one can really harm the other at this point, though this first round went to L in a huge way due to Light's ego.

L might have a slight advantage at this point, as he at least knows Light's general location, whereas Light doesn't even have an idea of where L is.

Lollerpants 2006-10-14 13:21

More or less equal I'd say; L knows where to look but not who to look for while Light can kill anyone as long as he knows their name.

But from that, L would have the upper hand at the moment since "no one" knows what he actually looks like. And or name.

Deathkillz 2006-10-14 13:28

up to ep 2 s far it an equal playing field...
L doesnt know wht kira looks like and visa versa...L can point out the area where kira is but i can also argue that kira would know where to pin point L (generally) as he would be thinking about the police force...
and they both know that each other arent stupid so its game on at this moment :p

Itachikun 2006-10-14 14:03

Well its kinda unfair, since L had the first move and yet Light knew nothing of how he acts. Probably in the future episodes Light might get the upper hand... but both ways, can't wait for their battle!
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monir 2006-10-14 15:43

I believe L has the upperhand at the moment. He has pretty much put Light on the defensive in this one "meeting". One thing is for sure that they both have no qualm about killing for their own ideals. Good thread Shay! +

Grey 2006-10-14 16:22

Light was a bit too self-righteous and he messed up by killing 'Lind L. Tailor.' This allowed L to confirm a good number of his suspicions. Light gave away a bit too much information with one act.

...however, neither seems better posed to defeat the other. Because of the Death Note's supernatural powers, Light can kill while leaving essentially zero evidence of the perpetrator--this leaves L seriously disadvantaged when it comes to tracking down 'Kira'. On the other hand, L is anonymous and as long as he stays the role of a 'shadowy puppet master' Light has no way of killing L.

When we are weighing who is better poised to identify (and thereby defeat) the other, they are presently on equal ground because both may maintain anonymity with ease. However, Light is in a winning position because as long as he stays free he may continue to shape the world into his utopia, so this standoff actually benefits Light.

Mutual Goal - identifying each other: equal ground
L's Goal - catching Kira: disadvantage
Light's Goal - reducing crime: advantage

Nightengale 2006-10-14 19:30

I would akin to Light having the lead at this point of the anime, even if his lead which was originally so far ahead was cut short by his own egoistic attempt of self-recognition and rejection of negativity.

The main point lies in the concept that Light has full workings of how the Death Note works and he knows his own weapons and capabilities to see himself what he can do at a particular moment and what he cannot do, (( Someone else may assume an empty-handed Light is capable of just killing a criminal with the face and name, even when in reality he can't because the Death Note or a pen isn't in his hand )), while L only has little ground to work upon and half of his hypothesis statements regarding how Kira kills and the limitations behind the murder patterns would be limited to mere 'what ifs'.

Spoiler for manga:

cyw1988 2006-10-15 03:49

Equal Ground... The battle has just begun...~~~ =)

Ori 2006-10-15 10:04

Give me a break, L never is on equal ground with Kira.

L is someone who can only kill when that person is proven to be Kira - which means he needs solid prove and not only convince himself that Light is Kira, but also everyone else.

Kira can kill anyone as long as he thinks that person is a threat.

ryaken 2006-10-15 10:20

L has the upper hand.

Light makes a harsh mistake by jumping to conclusions and killing Lind Taylor. He fell entirely into L's trap. L has been paying attention and is already on his tail, and Light never even realized it.

For now, Light needs to prove himself and really step up his game to keep from being destroyed by L. L isn't an idiot.

note:I've read the manga, this is a first impression.

Jaden 2006-10-15 11:45

Light has the upper hand. I can't see how anyone is going to catch him writing names in that notebook. He could just ignore L and continue his work.

Shiroth 2006-10-15 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyw1988 (Post 707293)
Equal Ground... The battle has just begun...~~~ =)

That i can agree with, and its hard to say stuff here when i've read the manga, though i'll give it a shot.

Right now after episode two, its easy to say that L has. He's the guy who's known about this for a few days now.. so of course he's had time to plan it all out. Light had no idea about L, so he's going to be shocked.

Anyway, a great idea for a thread. Can see some good talk coming from here in the future~

Quajafrie 2006-10-15 14:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaden (Post 707597)
Light has the upper hand. I can't see how anyone is going to catch him writing names in that notebook. He could just ignore L and continue his work.

Well, that's true. If he wasn't an egoist and if he wasn't stubborn, he wouldn't even have been laid by L in the second episode, and L wouldn't have any clue about him.

Shiroth 2006-10-15 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quajafrie (Post 707703)
If he wasn't an egoist and if he wasn't stubborn, he wouldn't even have been laid by L in the second episode, and L wouldn't have any clue about him.

I wouldn't say its all about his ego, though he could have done with thinking about the situation a little bit. At the end of the day, he as the power to kill - so really he is going to jump into situations like this.

lana3007 2006-10-16 00:32

That's a tough choice. I am tempted to vote for L, simply because Light was caught by surprise. If nothing else this was a blow to his ego, and Light strikes me as a person who might make a mistake in a situation where his anger gets the better of him. So I'd think that L is probably a little better off since if Light act on an impulse he could mess up some more, but if he doesn't do anything rash then L is probably in a weaker position, simply because he has nothing to counter Light's powers with.

Snubben_Pierre 2006-10-16 11:44

I voted for Kira, although it was a very tough decision.. cant really explain why i chose what I chose.
I hope that they like walk past eachother on the street without knowing it, that would be pretty cool :P havent read the manga so i have no clue about anything -.-

Dark` 2006-10-16 12:08

It's hard to give a completely unbiased view of this when you've read the entire manga series...but I'll give it a shot. It's not a huge spoiler since you can kind of deduce this from what's been said, but just in case...

Spoiler for Minor spoiler...not even a spoiler really....:

Darklightz 2006-10-16 23:23

Now up to episode 2,Light still has an advantage.Even if L pinpointed Kira's location to Kanto,he still has no clue how the murders are done.

felix 2006-10-19 16:42

Episode 3 :
Light > L (1:0)
+police chief's son
+new eyes (almost there)
+easy plan to find L
+Ryuk

-student theory
-mysterious man
-power revealed (time theory)


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