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nine_tailed_kyuubi 2007-02-12 11:16

During Itachi's and Kakashi's Fight
 
i wanted to ask a question about episode 82 during the fight between kakashi and itachi . Of course it was a one sided fight as we saw. When Gai came to save Kakashi , they told him not to look into itachi's eyes, he said he already knows. He said to defeat kakashi's sharingan he practiced to look on kakashi's legs and predict the movement. IMO this makes no sense at all , we never saw kakashi in the anime making a genjutsu, also sasuke have the sharingan and he never did genjutsu. The only reason u need not to look into their eyes is because u don't wanna be trapped in a genjutsu. When Gai is fighting kakashi even if Gai looked on his legs it won't make a difference since all his movements are taijutsu and the sharingan will copy everything on its own it sees through ninjutsu and genjutsu + it can copy the taijutsu movements as we saw sasuke copying Lee's movements before. IMO this is a mistake Gai shouldn't have known about itachi and shouldn't have practiced that way unless he knew about genjutsu.

zamme 2007-02-12 11:29

When looking at Itachi's eyes, he could avoid Tsukiyomi.. We dont know how he had learned about that when fighting Kakashi, but somehow he apparently has.

Jess-sama 2007-02-12 11:33

I like the question,good notice and I totally agree with you.It was never mentioned before that Kakashi (or Sasuke) use genjutsu so it makes no sense :D .
The question is why did he have to say that in the first place??He cud've just not looked into Itachi's eyes I think:rolleyes: .

nine_tailed_kyuubi 2007-02-12 11:36

i know by avoiding looking in the eyes he will avoid tsukyoumi , but Gai was supposed to belike Asuma and Kurenai who didn't know about that. Also what i'm saying he didn't need to practice this way against kakashi as we never saw Kakashi using genjutsu so why would Gai not look Kakashi into the eyes !!! that is what i'm asking

Rurik 2007-02-12 11:38

Kakashi used a genjutsu against Sakura in the bell test. and also used his Sharingan to make some sort of Hypnosis to Zabuza.

Gai needed to say that to explain Asuma and Kurenai what to do in that moment of emergency. and Yes, Gai measure Is mostly to avoid eye contact with a Sharingan user thus avoiding Sharingan Genjutsus abilities.

nine_tailed_kyuubi 2007-02-12 11:41

thanks, thread closed :D yeah i didn't remember that . My point was wrong

MDale 2007-02-12 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rurik (Post 830631)
Kakashi used a genjutsu against Sakura in the bell test. and also used his Sharingan to make some sort of Hypnosis to Zabuza.

When I saw the episode I also assumed it was because of this that Guy developped his tactic for avoiding the Sharingan.

Jacoby 2007-02-12 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rurik (Post 830631)
Kakashi used a genjutsu against Sakura in the bell test. and also used his Sharingan to make some sort of Hypnosis to Zabuza.

Gai needed to say that to explain Asuma and Kurenai what to do in that moment of emergency. and Yes, Gai measure Is mostly to avoid eye contact with a Sharingan user thus avoiding Sharingan Genjutsus abilities.

On top of that, it doesnt really matter what you've seen up to that point in the show. How many times had you seen Kakashi really fight at that point? 3 or so? Do you really think you've seen all of his moves?

Even if you had never seen Kakashi use a genjutsu, if Guy says he does it, then he does. That would be sort of like if you said why does everyone say the fourth sealed the kyubii. Everyone says it, but we've never actually seen it. In a show like this what characters say is what makes up what has happened.

Rurik 2007-02-12 17:22

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Originally Posted by Jacoby (Post 830890)
On top of that, it doesnt really matter what you've seen up to that point in the show. How many times had you seen Kakashi really fight at that point? 3 or so? Do you really think you've seen all of his moves?

Even if you had never seen Kakashi use a genjutsu, if Guy says he does it, then he does. That would be sort of like if you said why does everyone say the fourth sealed the kyubii. Everyone says it, but we've never actually seen it. In a show like this what characters say is what makes up what has happened.

On top o that he has 1000 Jutsus....Who would believe he doesnt have a Genjutsu while having the best tool for it? :p

Chains of Heaven 2007-02-12 17:33

even if gai locks his vision in itachi's feet...He's not aware that Ameterasu does not require eye contact to burn :D

Shay 2007-02-12 17:47

Itachi can hypnotize people with his toes anyway so none of this even matters.

Mr. Johnny 5 2007-02-12 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chains of Heaven (Post 830936)
even if gai locks his vision in itachi's feet...He's not aware that Ameterasu does not require eye contact to burn :D

Well that is true but the most trickiest thing about the Sharingan are it's genjutsu effects.

(And i am not sure if it was an anime filler but Kakashi used this kind of genjutsu pretty bad on Zabuza.....reading his mind and copying a jutsu which he didnt preform yet...Zabuza was staring at Kakashi's eyes)

Also i think Ameterasu works pretty much like Cyclops his eyelaser. Something like this picture below..

http://www.antaninet.it/limbo/cover/xmen/cyclops4.jpg

Rein Masamuri 2007-02-12 22:44

It could also be the simple intimidation factor of the Sharingan.
Just seeing it can make you nervous :P

Hunter 2007-02-13 05:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5 (Post 831154)
Also i think Ameterasu works pretty much like Cyclops his eyelaser. Something like this picture below..

http://www.antaninet.it/limbo/cover/xmen/cyclops4.jpg

According to the Data Book's explanation and
Spoiler:
it's rather about combustion at sight.
The black flames "appear" where Itachi focuses his eyes.

Ichimaru 2007-02-13 07:48

gais tactic wont work, unless itachi dances like a butterfly, sting like a bee, ali style :D

amOKchen 2007-02-14 03:35

While Gai chases down a kagebunshin he get's stabbed in the back.

PsiNide 2007-02-14 10:58

Also i think Gai should have known about Itachi's genjutsu abilities. He would have been old enough to be around a hell of a lot of other sharingan users in his time before they were wiped out.

MysticNinjaJay 2007-02-15 15:55

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Originally Posted by nine_tailed_kyuubi (Post 830634)
thanks, thread closed :D yeah i didn't remember that . My point was wrong

You lose Naruto trivia credit for this thread. :D

Sharingan does not simply copy jutsu it has its own powers, especially genjutsu, which is why Zabuza feared it so much that he created a mist cloud so that he would not be hypnotized again.

Gai has had several duels with Kakashi, close to 100 even (though some of these were revealed to be matches as silly as rock/paper/scissors).

He would be quite knowledgable of tactics to fight Sharingan as Chiyobu-sama was in the forest.

But it was revealed in that forest battle that Gai's tactic would not have worked anyway as Itachi can cast genjutsu from any part of his body, meaning that he could likely hypnotize you with his toes and then raise your head to eye level to do Tsukiyomi.


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