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Pellissier 2007-09-15 13:26

(MFI) Zero no Tsukaima (second series) - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll
 
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Deathkillz 2007-09-16 15:26

If it wasnt for the following scenes then i would class this ep as a waste of time :3 j/k
Spoiler:

Klashikari 2007-09-16 17:07

This episode deserved to be quite... "faithful" in a way.
Aside of any comparison with the novel, it was fairly great that they kept the very unstable discussion between Saito and Louise about "dying in honor".
This angsty point is a fuel for drama, development and touching scenes. I'm just upset they used this part only slightly for episode 10, while the middle of the season would be great.

the big complain for this episode is probably Siesta's personality who is completely twisted. She is hardly the siesta from either the novel or season 1 or even the first few episodes of season 2. I was really irritated how she was dumbly portrayed as a mad lover girl, especially her "i won't lose" and the "outfit"...
Her scene with Saito in the inn could be heartwarming especially after the quarrel, but it was kinda watered down by itself. (knowing the summary by Shushi-Y just makes me wonder why the scripters don't use the fantastic heartwarming one from the novel.)

Aside of these 2 points, I believe this episode managed to mix fairly well the character developments and the plot, without getting too sidetracked, much like what happened for... well the whole season until now.
Much like i implied in the first point, this episode was shown really too lately, and we have only ONE episode for the final battle. The one in the season 1 was a bit rushed to me, but here, it will be a complete mad rush hour... If they don't do any third season, the plot will suffer greatly for the conclusion.

probably one of the best episodes, characters wise (certainly not for the comedy, which is very old and very bad timed here). 7.5, rounded to 8.

frankly, Things would have been much better if agnes arc was shrinked a bit and twisted with the war plot at the BEGINNING of the season, while the "dying in honor" is shown around the episode 6-7, for 2-3 episodes. and then we got the big brawl with reconquista. A pity... i hope the novels will be imported in europe somehow...*can dream...T_T*

UPR 2007-09-16 18:44

this ep was better than the "filler" material we were getting before. Agree that this should have been done sooner. Question, isn't this 13 like the first season?

Louise in a cat-outfit :nono::hmm: so wrong especially with the faces she made.

Siesta in a bunny-outfit :love::naughty: better.

htsuji 2007-09-16 19:00

I watched the episode 11 and got a feeling that the anime company was planing the third season because
Spoiler for episode 11:

Nvis 2007-09-16 23:46

Yep, high hopes for 3rd season.

Shiroth 2007-09-17 04:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathkillz (Post 1150364)
Spoiler:

Spoiler for Episode 12:

kokolores 2007-09-17 08:34

My main complaint is that they rushed through everything. It seems to me they were desperately trying to put as much from the novels into this episode as possible as preparation in the event of a third season. In this one episode there was enough plot covered for three. I just can't understand why they decided to waste half of the season on Anies sidestory and then pack an entire volume of the novels if not more into a single episode. Frankly I doubt anyone who ever read the novels can enjoy it like this.

Kazuma77 2007-09-17 13:32

there are so many things they didn't finish:confused: and it looks like Saito&Louise marriage is going to happened in the last episode...at least the preview looks that way:D

ordnance11 2007-09-17 15:18

I'm betting one of two last scenes for epsiode 12:

Spoiler:

Phoenix14 2007-09-17 20:46

Saito is going to pull a "300" as I have heard, and is going to fight off a bunch of enemies. It seems kind of rushed...that Saito and Louise are going to get married...I guess they really wanted to end this season with either a huge cliff-hanger or a nice "heartwarming" ending. I don't remember if there is another "kiss scene" or not though...

I have absolutely no doubt that there will be a 3rd season. They wouldn't just quit out now, especially after hinting at the new character (lol)

Either way, i'm really excited to see episode 12!

relentlessflame 2007-09-18 08:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by UPR (Post 1150597)
Question, isn't this 13 like the first season?

You probably already found the answer, but no -- only 12 episodes this season.

UPR 2007-09-18 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by relentlessflame (Post 1152992)
You probably already found the answer, but no -- only 12 episodes this season.

yeah i found out, but thanks. Now speculation and debate is whether there going to have a 3rd season. Part of me hopes they do just to see if they can redeem themselves for what they did. Because really who cares about Anies i never heard of a minor supporting character get more screen time and revelation about the past than the main characters.

relentlessflame 2007-09-18 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by UPR (Post 1153164)
Now speculation and debate is whether there going to have a 3rd season. Part of me hopes they do just to see if they can redeem themselves for what they did. Because really who cares about Anies i never heard of a minor supporting character get more screen time and revelation about the past than the main characters.

Well, I see a lot of complaining about this, and maybe it was belaboured a bit (could have maybe trimmed it down a tad), but I think that the reason they focused on it so much is because it was tied to the larger question of this season -- the nobility of war. They had to dig into the past so that the change in Colbert's perspective became evident, which is what caused Saito to re-examine his own beliefs. The transformation in Anies is also very important, and ties into the development of Louise's perspective. This all contrasts with Henrietta's perspective on the war, and those of the leader of the opposing forces. At the beginning of the show, everyone's perspective is pretty static, but all the events of the series force everyone (except the "real bad guys") to re-examine their point of view, which presumably will lead to peace and the end of the war.

So... all that to say that, though I don't dispute the switch in focus is a bit weird at first, I think there is a method to their madness. The other thing is that I haven't read the novels, so maybe that changes the way I'm looking at the story a bit. But all in all, I really don't feel as much hatred towards this season as some people do -- the change in creative staff is apparent, but I don't necessarily think it's for the worse. It wouldn't surprise me to see a third season, but we'll see how sales go.

Klashikari 2007-09-18 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by relentlessflame (Post 1153310)
Well, I see a lot of complaining about this, and maybe it was belaboured a bit (could have maybe trimmed it down a tad), but I think that the reason they focused on it so much is because it was tied to the larger question of this season -- the nobility of war. They had to dig into the past so that the change in Colbert's perspective became evident, which is what caused Saito to re-examine his own beliefs. The transformation in Anies is also very important, and ties into the development of Louise's perspective. This all contrasts with Henrietta's perspective on the war, and those of the leader of the opposing forces. At the beginning of the show, everyone's perspective is pretty static, but all the events of the series force everyone (except the "real bad guys") to re-examine their point of view, which presumably will lead to peace and the end of the war.

I concur the fact that Agnes and Colbert backstory were very important for the plot. Either in the novel or anime, they bring back the war aspect, and also thenobility of war.
I believe the realy issue is the crapload amount of fillers and the structures which were a true handicap for the storytelling. There of courses many good developments (wales "death", Saito with louise in the vallière court, Henrietta disguising herself as a commoner, etc) but these great points were mixed with the flow of "fillers" sadly. Heck, Sheiffield, the leader of reconquista, has a VERY VERY tiny screentime, despite her big badass "protagonist" role.

If we happen to squeeze the developments part and Agnes backstory as the first half of the season, things would have go very smoothly and fine, especially between the war (so action packed side) and the arguement of "dying in honor" (which would be well portrayed with the first half)
Consequently, it is more an issue with the structure and development, rather than the "change", imho

Shiroth 2007-09-18 14:27

Episode 11 felt like a classic ZnT episode. The humor was well balanced along with the drama that continued from the last episode. I'm sure some people could say it felt like a first season episode, such a shame the rest of second season hasn't been this way, though still enjoyable.

Spoiler for episode 12:

Kazuma77 2007-09-18 15:55

it looks like Saito&Louise are going to get married:D and i think this last episode will really be the end of Zero no Tsukaima

Phoenix14 2007-09-18 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazuma77 (Post 1153647)
it looks like Saito&Louise are going to get married:D and i think this last episode will really be the end of Zero no Tsukaima

Nah...

There is much more to the story. I'm betting on a third season.

They wouldn't have hinted at the new character if they didn't...

The new character will be very...awesome (lol)

Shiroth 2007-09-18 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix14 (Post 1153670)
They wouldn't have hinted at the new character if they didn't...

Indeed. They added her in knowing full well that many fans are going to recognize her --- teasing us like this isn't a nice thing. :3

Phoenix14 2007-09-18 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiroth (Post 1153699)
Indeed. They added her in knowing full well that many fans are going to recognize her --- teasing us like this isn't a nice thing. :3

Especially since we'll have to wait another year or so before we get another season...:upset:


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