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Skyfall 2007-10-22 13:33

Higurashi Kai Episode 16 Discussion / Poll
 
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Klashikari 2007-10-22 14:17

usual drill folks!

Episode 16: Summary and screencaps
edit: screencaps are finally uploaded.

flat out revelations and truth.
Painful ordeal for Hanyuu, while Takano is delighted in the shadows...
That said, the PART C reveals how the beginning of the end will rise.

A neat paced episode, giving crystal clear approach of what happened. This is only the first glimpse of it, as the pieces aren't completely shown yet.
Nothing to complain about, as the PART C was not butchered, though a bit shortened. That said, things go serious, and i guess next episode will be BIG on revelations for the year 1980 to 1981 or even 1982.

Rias 2007-10-22 15:17

This epsiode jumps around so much that I think people might get confused if this is the first time they watch this. Just in the A-part, we started from Showa 52, then jumped to S55, then back to S54 and back to S53. Overall they have covered about 12/14 pieces, so it'll probably be impossible for them to cover all of the rest in the next 2 epsiodes...


Spoiler for Kakera Musubi:


Since we have a well translated pieces section here, these are the numbers for those who are intrested:
Spoiler for pieces #:


In the end, this epsiode was nicely paced, and introduced many elements to the complex history. Next epsiode will probably be revolved around the events of S55/56

Kazuki_Kun 2007-10-22 15:27

The raw's up~ ^^

Starks 2007-10-22 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazuki_Kun (Post 1214903)
The raw's up~ ^^

Decent episode.

MarthX 2007-10-22 16:30

Why are they skipping around? Maybe they think showing the events in a random order makes it kind of like the game.

Dawnbringerz 2007-10-22 16:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarthX (Post 1214996)
Why are they skipping around? Maybe they think showing the events in a random order makes it kind of like the game.

Maybe they're doing it in the order of dependency. :confused:

Spoiler for the order:

harukamae 2007-10-22 18:09

Wow, leaves a lot of musings/questions:

Spoiler for musings on episode 16:


All in all, awesome episode. I adore Satoshi and am starting to love Irie, despite his...lolicon tendencies. It is kinda heartwrenching to see what Satoko goes through and even moreso what Hanyuu witnesses, powerless to change it, over and over again (as well as Rika).

June 1983 2007-10-22 18:35

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Originally Posted by harukamae (Post 1215121)
Wow, leaves a lot of musings/questions:

Spoiler for musings on episode 16:

Spoiler:

Sterling01 2007-10-22 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by June 1983 (Post 1215156)
Spoiler:

Spoiler for hanyuu:


They also made Irie look to much like a good guy because when Takano is talking about bringing in a live subject. He's salivating at the thought of getting new info

Taken from the game

Quote:

I do not doubt that Takano Miyo-san is my partner. However, there are certain aspects of her that I cannot trust everything about her. ...Probably, it is her extremities as a researcher which contrast largely with mine...

...Yet, how can I say that I am unlike her? Despite what I said, I stand here waiting in front of the dish with my knife and fork. ...Basically, I'm just whitewashing that I don't want to see the fish being prepared before my own eyes. But still, the dinner that she's about to prepare...is the one that I am anxiously awaiting for right now.

What a hypocrite. ...no, not her. I'm the hypocrite.

How can I say that I am different from her from what I have done in the past? I've performed psychosurgery with my own hands without the patient's consent, despite it being a surgery that may affect that person's life for the rest of their lives. How is that any different from what she is about to do now? ...Until today, I've never doubted my past achievements. However...I begin to feel sudden uneasiness when I observe her extremities
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Kang Seung Jae 2007-10-22 22:52

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Originally Posted by Sterling01 (Post 1215176)

They also made Irie look to much like a good guy because when Takano is talking about bringing in a live subject. He's salivating at the thought of getting new info.


True, Irie has been too humanized.

MarthX 2007-10-22 23:04

Preview for 17 is up.

http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php

Rika causes a BLEEP? lol

Vash002 2007-10-22 23:32

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Originally Posted by MarthX (Post 1215544)
Preview for 17 is up.

http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php

Rika causes a BLEEP? lol

Spoiler for Preview:


Btw...
Spoiler for Ooshi:

Nice episode, return of the violence fest and a look to the root of all evil.

Sterling01 2007-10-22 23:40

So that's how they're doing Rika's mom

Spoiler for :

Klashikari 2007-10-22 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling01 (Post 1215176)
They also made Irie look to much like a good guy because when Takano is talking about bringing in a live subject. He's salivating at the thought of getting new info

I'm not really convinced that Irie was "salivating" about this at all. The quote (or even the piece itself) made him reflect upon the suggestion of Takano, which turned him off pretty quickly.
The problem is that the anime has absolutely no way to cover Irie's past (the reason why he aimed for Neurochirurgy and then ended up in Psychochirurgy), hence, it is impossible to show the struggle he had before.

Since Irie isn't favorable for such thing, but past isn't possible to show, they had to give him the fittest reaction which is "outraged, but can't argue much".
It was a decent "adaptation", as Irie's struggle would require half a episode to explain, but also to point, as it requires a monologue as well. In this episode, Irie was struck by this, and even wondered "is it forgiveable?"
Concretely, he was portrayed as he was supposed to be.

this is even more suggested in the piece of the "first sacrifice"
Spoiler for for space:

the rest is somehow the same, though Irie was trying to "persuade" himself of the justification of doing such.
So seriously, no, he was humanized that much. He was already like this.

-MotokoAoyama- 2007-10-23 00:01

Well, that animation quality is about the same as the last episode, so I don't have the reason to add points for that aspect.

The rest of the episode is ok. Once again, I think Hanyuu's serious voice needs to be more...assertive? I mean, her cute side is very, very well-done, but the serious side can use a bit of power. I think Yukino Satsuki has a better "gomenasai"

Once again, loved the scene after the closing credits. Now I know better than to skip everything after the song, haha

Sterling01 2007-10-23 00:07

No what I mean is that Irie was made into too much of a good guy, they should have shown that he was excited... even if it was only a little bit.

Also in some pieces his thoughts are borderline sadistic

Klashikari 2007-10-23 00:12

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Originally Posted by -MotokoAoyama- (Post 1215624)
The rest of the episode is ok. Once again, I think Hanyuu's serious voice needs to be more...assertive? I mean, her cute side is very, very well-done, but the serious side can use a bit of power. I think Yukino Satsuki has a better "gomenasai"

The thing is that Hanyuu is "not" serious, but rather pained. the "i'm sorry" parts were more likely some resolve and "kill feeling".

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Originally Posted by Sterling01 (Post 1215628)
No what I mean is that Irie was made into too much of a good guy, they should have shown that he was excited... even if it was only a little bit.

No, that wasn't exactly like this. Irie was "trying" to feel like excited, as he is remembering of his past, and "motivations".
These are still struggling like hell when he is "interacting" with Takano, and it is even more blatant when L5 are involved.
Quote:

Also in some pieces his thoughts are as bad as Takano's are
Do you have some samples? because the "worst" are probably the first sacrifice and his past, which are mixed bag, more towards "uneasiness" and "struggle between researcher curiosity and human morals"
That said, for the specific period of time the anime portrayed, Irie is reasonably portrayed "accurately". Things might change later on, but with Satoko's case, i doubt it a lot.

Sterling01 2007-10-23 00:24

Sample

Spoiler for :


Though Irie does change as the pieces go on, like when C*** is talked about

cereal_killerxx 2007-10-23 01:03

Come on speed subbers! You can do it! Work your {exploit deleted} off so we can see what happens!


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