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4Tran 2008-04-05 00:56

Macross Mecha, Weapons, and Technology
 
As the title suggests, the purpose of this thread is to discuss the Macross Mecha, Weapons, and Technology :)

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4Tran 2008-04-05 01:31

Let me start this thread off with that most iconic of Macross Mecha - the venerable VF-1.

From the Macross Mecha Manual:
Quote:

Northrom VF-1A Valkyrie

Equipment Type: all-environment variable fighter and tactical combat battroid
Government: U.N. Spacy, U.N. Navy, U.N. Space Air Force
Manufacturer: Northrom
Introduction: November 2007
Operational Deployment: February 7, 2009
Accommodation: pilot only in Marty & Beck Mk-7 zero/zero ejection seat
Dimensions:
  • Battroid Mode: height 12.68 meters; width 7.3 meters; length 4.0 meters
  • Fighter Mode: wingspan 14.78 (fully extended); height 3.84 meters; length 14.23 meters
  • GERWALK Mode: wingspan 14.78 (fully extended); height 8.7 meters; length 11.3 meters
Mass: empty 13.25 metric tons; standard T-O mass 18.5 metric tons; max T-O mass 37.0 metric tons
Structure: space metal frame, SWAG energy converting armor
Power Plant: two Shinnakasu Heavy Industry/P&W/Roice FF-2001 thermonuclear reaction turbine engines, output 650 MW each.
Propulsion: 11,500 kg [x g] x 2; or 23,000 kg [x g] x 2 in overboost; 4 x Shinnakasu Heavy Industry NBS-1 high-thrust vernier thrusters; 18 x P&W LHP04 low-thrust vernier thrusters beneath multipurpose hook/handles.
Performance:
  • Battroid Mode: maximum walking speed 160 km/h
  • Fighter Mode: at 10,000 m Mach 2.71; at 30,000+ m Mach 3.87
  • GERWALK Mode: maximum walking speed 100 km/h; flying 500 km/h
  • g limit: in space +7
Design Features: 3-mode variable transformation; variable geometry wing; vertical take-off and landing; control-configurable vehicle; single-axis thrust vectoring; three "magic hand" manipulators for maintenance use; retractable canopy shield for Battroid mode and atmospheric reentry; option of GBP-1S system, atmospheric-escape booster, or FAST Pack system.
Transformation:
  • Min time from Fighter to GERWALK (automated): approx. 1.5 sec.
  • Min time from GERWALK to Battroid (automated): under 2 sec.
  • Standard time from Fighter to Battroid (automated): under 5 sec.
  • Min time from Fighter to Battroid (manual): 0.9 sec.
- Armament -
Guns:
  • 1 x Fixed Mauler RÍV-20 anti-aircraft laser cannon, firing 6,000 pulses per minute
  • 1 x Howard GU-11 55 mm three-barrel Gatling gun pod with 200 rds fired at 1,200 rds/min
Bombs & Missiles:
  • 4 x underwing hard points for 12 x AMM-1 hybrid guided multipurpose missiles (3/point)
  • or 12 x MK-82 LDGB conventional bombs (3/point)
  • or 6 x RMS-1 large anti-ship reaction missiles (2/outboard point, 1/inboard point)
  • or 4 x UUM-7 micro-missile pods (1/point) each carrying 15 x Bifors HMM-01 micro-missiles
  • or a combination of above load-outs
Optional Armament:
  • Shinnakasu Heavy Industry GBP-1S ground-combat protector weapon system
  • or Shinnakasu Heavy Industry FAST Pack augmentative space weapon system

The VF-1 Valkyrie takes advantage of technologies recovered from the ASS-1 to greatly improve its performance, compared to contemporary conventional aircraft. A few key points to note are its incredible power generation capability (1300MW!), dual space/atmospheric operating environments, Overtechnology armor system, and ability to carry reaction (nuclear-equivalent) missiles. Also, Valkyries can achieve high altitude (probably 40,000+ m) flight and orbital re-entry is a standard feature. A modern air force general would drool if he could get their hands on something with the VF-1's attributes.

In SDF Macross, the entire air/space wing of the SDF-1 pilot the different variants of the VF-1. These variants (aside from the Armored and FAST pack-enabled ones) are just about identical to the basic model with the exception of the number of head lasers, so the quality of equipment barely matters in the greater scheme of things. It proved so successful and iconic that the name went on to become the common nickname for all subsequent variable fighters. In fact, they are much more likely to be called "Valkyries" than their official designations are used.

From an outside-the-universe perspective, it's fairly obvious that the design of the Valkyrie is based on the F-14 Tomcat. Likewise, much of the specifications and other details are drawn up in a manner similar to real combat aircraft. Furthermore, the "VF" designation is also used for US Navy air group squadrons. In particular, at the time that SDF Macross aired, the VF-84 squadron, the "Jolly Rogers", flew F-14s and used the same skull and crossbones insignia that adorned Skull Squadron.


Fact that only I'm likely to care about: the design of the VF-1 was used by Fasa's Battletech game as the basis of no fewer than four Battlemechs: the Wasp, the Stinger, the Phoenix Hawk (Phoenix being the name of the F-14's signature missile), and the Valkyrie!

... and, as dahak pointed out, the Crusader makes it five.

Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-05 17:15

Talking about Mecha, can anyone guess what models are these?

I know one is a Vf-25, but the other?

is it a VF121 Ghost? I'm not sure. it looks strange.

Click the image for a bigger picture.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/5...rossse9.th.jpg

dahak 2008-04-06 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Tran (Post 1511317)
Fact that only I'm likely to care about: the design of the VF-1 was used by Fasa's Battletech game as the basis of no fewer than four Battlemechs: the Wasp, the Stinger, the Phoenix Hawk (Phoenix being the name of the F-14's signature missile), and the Valkyrie!

Technically either 5 or more Battlemechs are based on the VF1. You missed the Crusader [Which is a VF1A Armoured knockoff] and Battletech considers the Wasp, Stinger and Phoenix Hawk LAMs to be seperate mechs from their non transformable versions. And the Phoenix Hawk IIC is twice the weight of the standard one and considered a seperate design from either of the non clan Phoenix Hawk base designs.

FLCL 2008-04-11 15:14

wasnt the Glaug in macross used by fasa to create the Marauder IIC assault mech?

pinoy78 2008-04-11 16:07

SMS's Skull Squadron:

Ozma: VF-25(?) can equip with Armored Pack (ep1) or Super Pack (ep2)
Alto: VF-25(?) will fly Gilliam's and can equp with Super Pack (ep1)
Michael: VF-25(?) his model is equipped with a long range weapon (ep2)
Luca: VF-25(?) his model is equipped with the Elintseeker style radome (ep2)

dahak 2008-04-11 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by foolycooly7777 (Post 1527222)
wasnt the Glaug in macross used by fasa to create the Marauder IIC assault mech?

All the Maraders are based on the Glaug. The original MAD-3R even has Zentradi Markings on the back cover of the original boxed versions of both Battledroids and Battletech.

Thankfully Lucas Arts saved us from the term Droidwarrior.

http://brianscache.com/unseen/ has a list of everything that FASA removed due to the legal complications.

squaresphere 2008-04-13 11:26

I would suspect new weapon development some where down the line considering the current set of ballistic and missile weapons don't seem to have enough power to destroy those "giant red bugs"

zmaverick81 2008-04-13 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO (Post 1512439)
Talking about Mecha, can anyone guess what models are these?

I know one is a Vf-25, but the other?

is it a VF121 Ghost? I'm not sure. it looks strange.

Click the image for a bigger picture.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/5...rossse9.th.jpg

hhmm......it definitely has the front wing cannard... and somehow (IMO) it has forward-swept wing..... Hey...perhaps an armored VF-19 (yf-19)......I'd love to see that :D

And also the body part between the forward cannard and the wings is similar to yf-19 no?

see the third picture of this link (the first colored yf-19 in fighter mode):
http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/yf19.shtml

ReddyRedWolf 2008-04-13 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by squaresphere (Post 1531564)
I would suspect new weapon development some where down the line considering the current set of ballistic and missile weapons don't seem to have enough power to destroy those "giant red bugs"

When in doubt send in a crazed singer in a valkerie or short of that more... much more missile spam.

4Tran 2008-04-14 00:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by zmaverick81 (Post 1533351)
hhmm......it definitely has the front wing cannard... and somehow (IMO) it has forward-swept wing..... Hey...perhaps an armored VF-19 (yf-19)......I'd love to see that :D

And also the body part between the forward cannard and the wings is similar to yf-19 no?

The wing isn't really forward-swept; it's more like the Fz-109, with two separated engine pods (courtesy of the Macross Mecha Manual):
http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macross7...9a-fighter.gif
The fighter in the OP is quite a bit different from it, so I presume that it's an entirely new model that we'll see much more of in the coming episodes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf (Post 1533380)
When in doubt send in a crazed singer in a valkerie or short of that more... much more missile spam.

In Macross shows, the crazed singers don't tend to fire missiles :).

squaresphere 2008-04-17 14:40

Here's a thought on the mystery ship, it's another prototype competing with the VF-25 for main production adoption ala macross plus :P

Kinda makes sense since the VF-25 is deployed for performance testing in combat. If i'm the competing manufacturer I'd want combat test data on my fighter as well

Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-17 15:07

yeah, i've noticed that the fighter in that picture, has forward carnnard, and the wings are far too different to make it a VF-25 even in armoured packs.

Can't be a VF-171 as well.

yeah, it might be a VF-22 or at leased a variant of a VF-22

ReddyRedWolf 2008-04-18 05:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by squaresphere (Post 1541806)
Here's a thought on the mystery ship, it's another prototype competing with the VF-25 for main production adoption ala macross plus :P

Kinda makes sense since the VF-25 is deployed for performance testing in combat. If i'm the competing manufacturer I'd want combat test data on my fighter as well

Let me guess this fighter is stationed at Macross Galaxy.

So you guys think as I do that the mystery would be rival of Alto is a girl?

Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-18 07:36

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/5...rossse9.th.jpg

You know what?

I completely forgot about the VF-4 Lightning III.

look at it:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...B2012_VF4a.jpg

It could be derivative, if not spiritual successor based on the VF-4.

Just look, forward cannards leg engines off-centred spaced on the wings.

squaresphere 2008-04-18 10:20

Nice, I was poking around Mahq.net and found some sketches of the VA-14
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/ma...14-fighter.jpg
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/macross7/va-14.htm

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macross7...us-fighter.gif
more info http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macross7/vf-14-m7plus.htm

also designed by General Galaxy :D they seems to like to work of a modified delta wing

But yeah i agree the pilot will be that girl shown in conjunction with the plane.

Onizuka-GTO 2008-04-18 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by squaresphere (Post 1543569)
Nice, I was poking around Mahq.net and found some sketches of the VA-14
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/ma...14-fighter.jpg
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/macross7/va-14.htm

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macross7...us-fighter.gif
more info http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macross7/vf-14-m7plus.htm

also designed by General Galaxy :D they seems to like to work of a modified delta wing

But yeah i agree the pilot will be that girl shown in conjunction with the plane.

okay. you win.

looks more closer to this then mine.

:rolleyes:

but no cannards......well....delta wing do need them sometimes.....

squaresphere 2008-04-20 08:49

So we get a small bit of Tech update in ep 3.

The humans do have weapons that can take out a Red's armor, specifically the "secondary" fire on the Michel's sniper rifle. In atmosphere said rifle fires what looks like conventional rounds that can damage a "small" Varja though not pierce completely through it. Space operations allows it to fire a "highly charged" shot that can completely penetrate the Red's armor.

On the shot being "highly charged", evidence: the wound after the Red's head gets blown off appears to be cauterized .

Which leads us to another tech update on the "Red's" themselves. I'm still sticking with the Red's being alive themselves and not piloted suits. Why? Mostly if it was piloted I would think we would have had a least a rumor after Ozma killed the 1st one.

The Red's appear to be able to operate even when the head is removed. This may indicate the central nervous control is not located in the head but else where in the body, possibly in the more armored torso. Ozma's confirmed killed seems to indicate that the "death" was more do to "fluid" loss rather than destruction of a central nervous hub.

ReddyRedWolf 2008-04-20 09:54

It's a bug.

Have you seen a bug decapicated and still move?

A bug's nervous system is much more distributed.

Probably that's why boys at DARPA are experimenting adding circuitry essentially creating biomechanical robots.

Tsukiyomi 2008-04-20 15:42

that might be an entire new model. Looks like a VA 14 variation though.

Those wings are not close to being conventional. If i have to draw a chord line to measure sweep angle.. i have to say it's in no way forward swept like that VF 19's.


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