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otokon 2008-04-05 04:15

Japanese subs/captions
 
Have any of the groups released or plan to release the captions that are broadcast along with the anime? At the beginning of most anime series it usually says 字幕放送.
Some of the drama fansubbing groups are releasing the Japanese captions so it looks like it is possible.
This would be very helpful for people learning Japanese since it's often easy to miss what it is being said but reading the subtitles gives confirmation of what is being said.

martino 2008-04-05 05:41

The problem is that you first need to get your hands on a raw or transport stream which has those captions included. It's not so much on the group, as on the raw -- or at least that is where I picture the biggest problem myself. I've yet to see one like this myself...

TheFluff 2008-04-05 08:05

Since rather recently, Eclipse gets transport streams with closed captions, at least for some shows. I'm pretty sure Menclave does as well, and probably more groups that I don't know about.

I personally don't really see a problem with hosting these somewhere but they come in a rather annoying HTML format without any timecodes, and I wouldn't want to be the one to time them.

pichu 2008-04-05 14:27

Yes Menclave has been doing that for Gundam 00 by getting the TS (Transport Stream) with a separate file for CC, so that the translator can translate directly from the captioned Japanese text. I think they also uses the CC rips (OCR'd). I'm not sure where they get them, but yeah, there seems to be people releasing the CC in textual forms.

im2park 2008-04-08 16:49

where do you get the transport stream? can you get it from share/winny?

cyth 2008-04-08 16:54

I know some people get them from traders on opennap Japanese networks with programs like Utatane, but you'll need to have some bargaining chips to make successful trades, I think.

Potatochobit 2008-04-08 17:25

if the CC is anything like here in the US

I wouldnt be translating directly from them.....

Tofusensei 2008-04-08 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Potatochobit (Post 1520117)
if the CC is anything like here in the US

I wouldnt be translating directly from them.....

They're actually excellent. I think you might be confusing them with real-time closed captioning which inherently cannot be perfect.

-Tofu

Schneizel 2008-04-08 17:58

Hey now guys according to Tsuki-Kage, using closed captions is cheating. You should all feel ashamed of yourselves. Q_Q! </wrist>

Eeknay 2008-04-08 17:59

Closed captions are a gateway cheat. Next you'll be getting names and episode titles from magazine scans, browsing 2ch for OP/ED lyrics...

Slippery slope.

TheFluff 2008-04-08 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by im2park (Post 1520055)
where do you get the transport stream? can you get it from share/winny?

I heard (not that I would ever do such dishonorable things myself!) that the cheaters in question have their own raw capping box in Japan.

DryFire 2008-04-08 21:15

It's the degradation of fansubbing I say! O... wait, wrong direction.

The new raw provider is the the transport stream provider, share has a few but the most reliable way is to find your own capper.

Share can be unpredictable as we were able to find ~40% of Ookami's ts's on share in a timely fashion.

im2park 2008-04-08 21:19

what's a raw capping box?
what's Utatane?

acquiring closed captions for anime Raws is more complex than I thought it would be

tun 2008-04-09 14:31

Sarcasm aside...

Not that I've ever done this, or even know how to do it, but what's wrong with looking at the closed captioning for clarification on certain lines? I know there have been plenty of times where it would have been helpful e.g. English loan words that have their pronunciations butchered, etc.

Fighter747 2008-04-09 14:41

I agree. Having the closed captions allows for more accurate translation, and we can make sure that we're not leaving anything out when we're translating. I don't see why this is "cheating": I'd prefer having translation accuracy improved than have anime blogs calling people "liars".

Polaryzed_123 2008-04-09 14:52

I agree with tun/Fighter747 as well. It could only help the translation process. Especially if its a more complicated line, or one that is very hard to hear.

Baughn 2008-04-09 17:34

Listening to the speech is just as much cheating as reading captions.
Real fansubbers just watch the video and make up something that fits.

TheFluff 2008-04-09 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fighter747 (Post 1522097)
I agree. Having the closed captions allows for more accurate translation, and we can make sure that we're not leaving anything out when we're translating. I don't see why this is "cheating": I'd prefer having translation accuracy improved than have anime blogs calling people "liars".

I'm still working on it, but apparently it is impossible to formulate a post so incredibly stupid that everyone will immediately realize that the author has to be either joking or sarcastic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by im2park (Post 1520592)
what's a raw capping box?

Take one normal Windows computer with a rather big harddrive, enable remote control either by VNC or by remote desktop, hook it up to one of these and connect it to the internet with a fast link and install the proper software and you have your raw capping box.

cyth 2008-04-09 17:59

With CC scripts, I can see new translators that are not so well-versed in listening comprehension helping more projects to take off. If only these things were more accessible...

comatose 2008-04-10 09:54

Incomplete list of recent anime that don't have closed captions:
Quote:

true tears
Real Drive
Amatsuki
BLASSREITER.
D.C.2 S.S.
PERSONA-trinity soul-
Itazura na Kiss
Gag Manga Biyori 3
Crystal Blaze
Druaga no To: the Aegis of Uruk
Neo Angelique Abyss
Vampire Knight
Monochrome Factor
Wagaya no Oinari-sama
Himitsu - The Revelation
Kamen no Maid Guy
Jyushin Enbu: Hero Tales
Ookami to Koushinryou
Nabari no Ou
Special A
Golgo 13
Soul Eater (late night)
Some of these do have the CC stream, but its contents are blank.

Incomplete list of recent anime that do have closed captions:
Quote:

Seirei no Moribito
XXXHolic: Kei
ToLove-Ru
Code Geass Hangyaku no Lelouch R2
Zettai Karen Children
Gundam 00
Major S4
Bleach
Naruto Shippuuden
Pretty Cure 5 Go Go!
Shugo Chara
Kure-nai (CCs maybe only broadcasted on specific stations)
Macross F
Toshokan Sensou
Soul Eater (primetime)
Extract CCs using C-Cats (link courtesy of Eeknay).

Screenshot of CCats UI
Quote:

Originally Posted by UI translation
入力ファイル = Input file
中間ファイル = Interim file
字幕ファイル = Subtitle file

PLLIB = PLLIB
番組情報 = Programme information
ログファイル = Logfile
View = View

WMP = Windows Media Player
メモ帳 = Notepad
抽出 = Extract

ふりがな = Furigana
データ終端 = Data terminus
中型サイズ = Medium size
HTML出力 = HTML output

ARIB外字 = ARIB characters
空行 = Blank line
改行 = Line feed
改行 = Line feed
改行 = Line feed
半角 = Half-width characters (Latin alphabet)
詳細設定 = Preferences

パケットバイト数 = Packet byte number
字幕PID = Subtitle PID
ARIB外字 = ARIB characters
DRCS外字 = DRCS characters
終了 = Close



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