AnimeSuki.com Forum

AnimeSuki Forum (http://forums.animesuki.com/index.php)
-   Code Geass (http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?f=64)
-   -   Character Discussion - Lelouch (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=65008)

Klashikari 2008-04-09 14:55

Character Discussion - Lelouch
 
The purpose of this thread is to provide a place to discuss all things Lelouch related.
To keep the discussion enjoyable for all Code Geass fans, please follow the guidelines below and stay on-topic!
Note: Please don't use this for the specific episode talk, there are already threads serving that purpose.

Thread Guidelines
  • No campaigning!
    No "hate" or "xyz must die" posts. Discuss why you do or don't like characters without whining and whining or blatantly campaigning for your favorite.
  • Be polite to your fellow forum members.
    Do not insult or harass other members for their likes and dislikes. Do not take it so seriously that you end up in an argument with another forum member because they express a fondness for a character you loathe. Discussion and good spirited banter is always welcome, but harassing people won't be tolerated.
  • Discuss, not Chat.
    Please remember that AnimeSuki is a discussion forum, not a chat room, there is a difference. If you wish to chat, then please make use of our IRC channel (#animeuki) on ZiRC.
  • Have fun, but post intelligently.
    It's great to have fun, but please try your best to add substance to what you post and make your thoughts interesting for the generation of fans that will follow after you’re long gone and on to watching some other series.
  • Use spoiler tags!Spoilers are allowed, but they must be enclosed in spoiler tags clearly marked with a proper title. Failure to do this can result in a BAN.
  • Adding a Spoiler tag:
    http://forums.animesuki.com/images/a...al/spoiler.gifJust highlight your spoiler and click the button found
    on the "Quick Reply" and "Reply to Thread" forms.
    Make sure that you include a title for the spoiler!
  • Please use the Report button if you see any spoilers:
    http://forums.animesuki.com/images/a...ons/report.gifClick the button found to the left of the post, just under the poster's avatar.
    Using the Report button is anonymous and helps the Moderators
    to locate and deal with problems quickly.
  • Posting prohibited spoilers may result in a ban.
    Note: Reporting a post does not mean the poster will be banned instantly.
    The Moderators will use bans if warnings are repeatedly ignored.

Blue_Mercy 2008-04-09 17:16

I think this a great idea but sort of difficult at the same time since it's impossible to know if people reading this have seen episodes up to a certain point. I'm going to provide Lelouch's biography first since I believe that it helps to shape the character when discussing them. Also most of this information you will already know.

Name: Lelouch Vi Britannia, Lelouch Lamperouge, Zero

Born: Decemnber 5, 2000

For the very early part of Lelouch's life he enjoyed life with his sister, Nunnally, his mother Empress Marianne and his half-sister Euphemia despite not having any friends. He was incredibly intelligent often challenging his older siblings, Clovis and Schneizel to chess matches; remaining undefeated to Clovis while it is hinted that Schneizel proved a difficult match for him.

When Lelouch turned 9 his life was changed forever when his mother was murdered and his sister Nunnally had both legs injured and her sight lost due to the trauma of witnessing the attack on her mother along with her mother's dying body fall on top of her.

Lelouch had always resented his father, the Emperor, for the petty fights between the siblings about who would succeed the Emperor, but he actually renounced his title after his father refused to visit the injured Nunnally in the hospital stating "He had no need for the weak."

Lelouch was then sent to Japan along with Nunnally as bargaining chips, and became political hostages of the Prime Minister. He finally developed his first friend in Kurugi Suzaku. Day after day Lelouch would receiving beatings from other Japanese kids though, including Suzaku when they first met. Lelouch did everything for Nunnally when he first arrived from cooking and laundry to chores and did not let a Japanese person even touch her hand until Suzaku. It was only a few months after they arrived that Britannia declared war on Japan, and Lelouch declared that he would destroy Britannia. It was during this time that Lelouch witnessed terrible tragedies including a massacred village, which I believe hardened Lelouch's personality. It was also during this time that Lelouch changed his and Nunnally's last name to Lamperouge and declared themselves dead to elude possible Britannia pursuers. The two of them took refuge in the care of the Ashford family in the Tokyo settlement and began living peaceful lives attending Ashford Academy after Britannia subdued Japan. This is also when he first meets Millay Ashford.

Seven Years Pass.

The Year is 2017 and Lelouch has become the Vice-President of the Student Council at Ashford Academy while making other friends or student council member associates including Shirley Fenette, Rivalz Carmonde, and Nina Einstein. After a chess match with a noble Lelouch becomes involved in a traffic accident which leads to him meeting the three other main characters including C.C., Kallen Kouzki/Stadfeld, and Kurugi Suzaku once again. Kallen gets Lelouch involved in the terrorist mess while Suzaku has become a Britannian soldier takes a bullet for Lelouch and C.C. takes a bullet for Lelouch, but gives him a Geass ability which can order a person to do anything he commands including suicide. Lelouch decides to use this power to change the world...

Now this is where I will begin his character analysis.

Lelouch is someone who uses any method to punish those who inflict pain upon others. He is what you might consider a world-wide vigilante who became a rebel or vice-versa to create a peaceful world for his sister. He knows as long as Britannia exists his sister will never be safe. If found she and Lelouch would continue to be used as political tools never obtaining true freedom. He carries the burden of being evil especially after Euphemia's massacre while still retaining some of his humanity. He does have a pillar of support or sometimes criticism in C.C. and an incredibly loyal soldier willing to become carnage itself in Kallen. Up until he met C.C. Lelouch believed himself to be dying a slow poison because of his lack of power, and gives no regard to risking his own life. He proves to be a master tactician in battle, and becomes a symbol of hope for the Japanese.

If there is two flaws with Lelouch it is his reluctance to let go of his friendship with Suzaku, who has become his greatest enemy, constantly stopping his plans. He has several chances to kill Suzaku but does not which ends up costing him greatly.

His second flaw is his inability to protect his sister who gets kidnapped twice.

You'll notice I did not list Lelouch's arrogance or overconfidence as a flaw. It is true that it can be with the occasional loss such as with Cornelia but overconfidence is the kind of attitude one wants in a leader. A leader that is unsure about himself will lead to weakness in the soldiers that follow him.

I think this is good enough for a start on Lelouch.

serenade_beta 2008-04-09 17:22

The guy makes the best poses and speeches I've heard. :heh:
I've seen people saying that his hand movements are silly, but I think it's pretty cool. *nodx2*

My favorite male protagonist. Has flaws, but that's just one likable part of him to me (despite it having frustrating results at times).

Avisch 2008-04-09 18:23

I think it's fair to say that Lelouch enjoys his theatrics as Zero.
Spoiler for R2 first episode:


Nice writeup Blue Mercy. I like the bit on overconfidence

I see Lelouch as this:
I think in the beginning he hated injustice but knew that people would have to endure. But when he saw that nothing would be done about his mother's death it began his want to change Brittania. He's fully triggered when he sees Brittania's massacre of Japanese and the military's carelessness in their actions.

And what's funny is that this actually provoked Lelouch, right before he got Geass. that one commander is about to execute Lelouch for no reason, C.C. steps in, and when Lelouch gets Geass and kills him, he knows he's finally going to go for his goal.

_DaViD_ 2008-04-09 19:21

this guy amazes me, the way he got hundreds of soldiers at his orders but without losing the "Cooliness".
i remember the chapter when he declares war after Euphie's death and strikes a pose like "wtf" XD! i started laughing so hard in that moment.

seiji_kun 2008-04-09 19:49

I think he absolutely rox and I hope he will succeed where Light has failed.

But I can't help to think every time I see him "sis com"

btw if I have to make an analysis of him with a touch of humor:

Cold calculated bastard that stops bye no means to get what "he" wants, out to get revenge at the murderer of his mother rather then creating a peaceful world for his sister. Gifted tactician with weak physics! Popular with the women and quite the charmer. A pure hearted kid that bye bad parenting from his dads side led to make a pact with a hot "witch".

Dann of Thursday 2008-04-09 19:50

That is nice and all, but Lelouch really is nothing like Light.

Avisch 2008-04-09 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday (Post 1522766)
That is nice and all, but Lelouch really is nothing like Light.

I agree 100%.

For one. Lelouch cares about other people. I could post a dozen more reasons.

ashlay 2008-04-09 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avisch (Post 1522820)
I agree 100%.

For one. Lelouch cares about other people. I could post a dozen more reasons.

and more or less doesn't care at all about himself. :rolleyes:

but yeah, just pay attention to the first season, Lelouch and Light are nothing alike as characters, despite the superficial similarities.

Trogdor Jube 2008-04-09 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avisch (Post 1522820)
I agree 100%.

For one. Lelouch cares about other people. I could post a dozen more reasons.

DO keep in mind that caring for others in the situation Lelouch is in could be the death of you.

ashlay 2008-04-09 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trogdor Jube (Post 1522834)
DO keep in mind that caring for others in the situation Lelouch is in could be the death ofyou.

In this case, it's actually more likely to save Lelouch in the end than kill him.

Caring about others is what gets you allies and friends, especially when you're fighting against usually insurmountable odds. :rolleyes:

hanseo 2008-04-09 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avisch (Post 1522820)
I agree 100%.

For one. Lelouch cares about other people. I could post a dozen more reasons.

but he killed Euphemia and it's all his fault

-Breakthrough- 2008-04-09 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday (Post 1522766)
That is nice and all, but Lelouch really is nothing like Light.

Really? They both have their wild sense of power either way, as if his expressions and ep 12-14 didn't prove it enough. It's a matter of handling power, yeah he cares for other people, but he still acts like Light towards his enemies. It's all about how you look at power. :heh He also used Geass irresponsibly at one time, causing one of the biggest massacres in the series.

TheRainbowConnection 2008-04-09 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanseo (Post 1522846)
but he killed Euphemia and it's all his fault

Lelouch did make the worst joke ever at the worst time ever, but that's kinda a bad example. One can argue that because he cares so much for her and her vision, he shot her out of mercy so that she didn't have to make it unravel with her own hands.

Yes, it was his fault, but he didn't really mean to do what he did, so it's at least a little more forgivable.

Dann of Thursday 2008-04-09 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanseo (Post 1522846)
but he killed Euphemia and it's all his fault

Your point? What else was he supposed to do in such a situation? Let her keep killing people?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daisuke CP9 (Post 1522850)
Really? They both have their wild sense of power either way, as if his expressions and ep 12-14 didn't prove it enough. It's a matter of handling power, yeah he cares for other people, but he still acts like Light towards his enemies. It's all about how you look at power. :heh He also used Geass irresponsibly at one time, causing one of the biggest massacres in the series.

Yeah, but Lelouch has limits and does not allow himself to become drunk with power like Light did. Light would have intentionally caused the massacre while Lelouch would never do such a thing.

ashlay 2008-04-09 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanseo (Post 1522846)
but he killed Euphemia and it's all his fault

He killed Euphemia exactly because it was all his fault. No one else should have to bear any of the sin for what happened in his mind.

As always, what would you have had Lelouch do instead? Let her keep on killing people? Let someone else kill her? Lock her up for the rest of her life, trying to hide her from anyone who might want to free her and cause her to kill more, while she went completely insane?

-Breakthrough- 2008-04-09 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday (Post 1522861)
Your point? What else was he supposed to do in such a situation? Let her keep killing people?



Yeah, but Lelouch has limits and does not allow himself to become drunk with power like Light did. Light would have intentionally caused the massacre while Lelouch would never do such a thing.

Light only killed criminals and those like L who got in his way. As for Euphie's death, I agree, Lulu had to do it, or things would gave just gotten to the most worst.

Grimkill7 2008-04-09 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daisuke CP9 (Post 1522850)
Really? They both have their wild sense of power either way, as if his expressions and ep 12-14 didn't prove it enough. It's a matter of handling power, yeah he cares for other people, but he still acts like Light towards his enemies. It's all about how you look at power. :heh He also used Geass irresponsibly at one time, causing one of the biggest massacres in the series.

I too am in the camp that Light and Lelouch are more similar than a lot of people would care to admit. I just think the overall tones of the respective shows paint them in different lights, not necessarily their personalities or actions. They both would sacrifice the innocent if they had to. They both try to achieve a noble goal through not-so-noble means. The only real difference is that Lelouch has people he cares about, whereas Light doesn't.

TheRainbowConnection 2008-04-09 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grimkill7 (Post 1522879)
They both try to achieve a noble goal through not-so-noble means. The only real difference is that Lelouch has people he cares about, whereas Light doesn't.

I would argue that by the middle of DN, Light wasn't trying to achieve a noble goal. He was more out to become "god of a new world" than meting out true justice. It wasn't about what was objectively right but what he saw fit. We don't see that with Lelouch.

Dann of Thursday 2008-04-09 20:39

Lelouch never cared about himself through all this and that hasn't changed yet. It has always been for Nunnally. He doesn't care about his own happiness at all.

Light was always planning on being a god of some sorts and killing anyone that objected to his ideas. This didn't start coming ou in full force until later though.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:19.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.