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guest 2008-12-19 16:14

RIAA turns to ISPs instead of individual users
 
From pcmag.com (PCMagazine), RIAA is confirmed to fight piracy through making deals with ISPs then suing individual offenders. They will notify ISPs about individual users who share illegal files online, instead of filing lawsuits against them. The customers will get warnings from the ISPs, which, if ignored, may slow down the service or being cut off. MPAA has been doing so for a while now. The participating ISPs are not disclosed. For details, please see the link.

What do you guys think about this new strategy from RIAA? How is this going to affect anime fausub? Is this going to work? How is MPAA doing on the subject?

Vexx 2008-12-19 17:32

This... doesn't really have anything to do with anime. The RIAA and MPAA are other entertainment sectors, music and movies respectively.

I figure the response will be more class-action countersuits rather than individual suits.
The ISPs *need* to decide if they're going to go the "common carrier" route or the other --- and many analysts contend the other route opens them up for enormous pain (filtering, anti-childporn, etc) as they become responsible for the content being transferred.

Fipskuul 2008-12-19 19:56

Since it is already being done, and no one seems to have done anything to stop that, I don't think it will create much disturbance in people's lives. At the end US still needs an ISP that will stand firm in front of those internet-police. And, I believe this has something to do with anime, since any company that has legality issues over Internet can force the same kind of action.

karasuma 2008-12-19 20:09

ISPs want to be the middle man of content provider. As such, they don't like any online content. They want you to use their on demand crap.

Claies 2008-12-19 20:31

So instead of going through a court to stop you from downloading stuff, the RIAA is fashioning themselves as the court. This is more or less equivalent to the French Three-Strikes Law, except this isn't a government administering the law, it's a union of corporations. Nothing could possibly go wrong, amirite?

More people are going to get caught in the crossfire.

Fipskuul 2008-12-19 21:11

Going to the court creates negative publicity, and I am sure they would want to avoid that as much as they can. Using the ISPs, they will share some of the blames with them, but, their action won't receive a lot of publicity. That means they can even be crueler, and the threat level will even be higher, because losing internet may be a much worse penalty for many people.

Kang Seung Jae 2008-12-19 21:59

It could be hell for dynamic IP users.

Fipskuul 2008-12-19 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae (Post 2117560)
It could be hell for dynamic IP users.

Not if the ISP keeps a record of who connected using that IP address, at the time of file sharing.

Aoie_Emesai 2008-12-19 22:33

I would doubt like Vexx said to be much about anime. If you compare anime to the download of TV series, hollywood movie sales to each other. Hollywood movies/TV series and MP3 download are their top priority.

All anime downloaded from animesuki are unlicensed ones at that too. (unless you get yours from else where)

Vexx 2008-12-19 23:04

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Originally Posted by Fipskuul (Post 2117568)
Not if the ISP keeps a record of who connected using that IP address, at the time of file sharing.

At least in the US, there have already been several court rulings that "IP does not equal a person" even with dynamic IP assignment logs. Basically, the RIAA is getting slapped on every front -- pissing off judge after judge in the process. (the recent fiasco by the RIAA in California ignoring a judge's restrictions, for example)

Ryusiangel 2008-12-19 23:21

can they tell if ppl uses mirc? thats how i usually get my fansubs :<

Vexx 2008-12-19 23:53

You mean "irc" protocol ... Mirc is just one of many irc clients.

The article is about the RIAA --- who has absolutely NOTHING to do with fansubs or anime.

But yes, at the moment, you're a bit safer from prying eyes in an IRC channel (though you could be more at risk from trojans and malware unless you stick to reputable fansubbers channels).

Kang Seung Jae 2008-12-19 23:56

You know, I feel sorry for the people who has to go the HARD way to get subs......

Fipskuul 2008-12-20 00:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexx (Post 2117649)
At least in the US, there have already been several court rulings that "IP does not equal a person" even with dynamic IP assignment logs. Basically, the RIAA is getting slapped on every front -- pissing off judge after judge in the process. (the recent fiasco by the RIAA in California ignoring a judge's restrictions, for example)

The current case is different.

What you say is the price they pay for going to the court to punish a single person based on that IP address. But, if they cooperate with the ISPs, they will directly target the source of that address. So, even if you share your connections with others, it won't help you. You are responsible for the connection you pay for, and that comes with a price. And, the 3 count will make sure, whether the source of the problem is you or something else.

I also do hope that they will at least offer free help to people who may believe their connection is compromised.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae (Post 2117724)
You know, I feel sorry for the people who has to go the HARD way to get subs......

Hard way? If you use direct download sites (like mu and rs), it becomes much easier to download with no risk of getting caught. And, if someone has a fast connection, that may be the quickest way to obtain subs.

Kang Seung Jae 2008-12-20 00:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fipskuul (Post 2117730)
Hard way? If you use direct download sites (like mu and rs), it becomes much easier to download with no risk of getting caught. And, if someone has a fast connection, that may be the quickest way to obtain subs.

I use Korean streaming videoes.......

Fipskuul 2008-12-20 00:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae (Post 2117764)
I use Korean streaming videoes.......

Sorry I didn't get that part. Are the ISPs crueler in Korea? Are they preventing access to any direct download site?

I only feel sorry for the people who does not have the connection to download anything, but, I doubt Korea counts as one of those, being one of the most advanced in that area.

Kang Seung Jae 2008-12-20 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fipskuul (Post 2117769)
Sorry I didn't get that part. Are the ISPs crueler in Korea? Are they preventing access to any direct download site?

I only feel sorry for the people who does not have the connection to download anything, but, I doubt Korea counts as one of those, being one of the most advanced in that area.

It's just that rather than download episodes and fill your drive, why not just upload them onto streaming so that you save room?

mg1942 2008-12-20 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae (Post 2117797)
It's just that rather than download episodes and fill your drive, why not just upload them onto streaming so that you save room?

I can't name other sites that was just as good as Stage6.

Takeru 2008-12-20 01:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by guest (Post 2117037)
[The]RIAA is confirmed to fight piracy through making deals with ISPs then suing individual offenders. They will notify ISPs about individual users who share illegal files online, instead of filing lawsuits against them.

For some reason this makes me laugh. Maybe it's because they're finally starting to realize that this isn't something that can be controlled and they should quit trying to stop downloaders and try to reason with them instead. Because apparently jailtime isn't a big enough scare.

Demongod86 2008-12-20 01:50

So if an ISP threatens and they lose a customer, what next?


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