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monir 2009-11-02 01:17

Bakemonogatari - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll
 
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Proto 2009-11-02 01:22

First!

(sorry, I had always wanted to do that)

Other than that, returning to the storyline proper should be nice after the little side trip we had last episode.

LotionExplosion 2009-11-02 01:23

You are able to watch this on the bakemonogatari website correct?

omimon 2009-11-02 01:27

I can't find it on the site.

Zetsubo 2009-11-02 01:31

Dinner will be ready shortly... in the mean time why not eat another serving of episode 11 and 12 for an appetizer.

--Regards
The Waiter

LotionExplosion 2009-11-02 01:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by omimon (Post 2743999)
I can't find it on the site.

Haha Wait til tomorrow night silly

Clarste 2009-11-02 01:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proto (Post 2743988)
Other than that, returning to the storyline proper should be nice after the little side trip we had last episode.

Episode 12 wasn't a sidetrip.

tzia_n 2009-11-02 01:52

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Originally Posted by Clarste (Post 2744014)
Episode 12 wasn't a sidetrip.

Well episode 12 didn't really add much to the Tsubasa Cat arc... so it's quite like a sidetrip. Not that it's a bad one :)

omimon 2009-11-02 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by LotionExplosion (Post 2744005)
Haha Wait til tomorrow night silly

I'm so silly.:p

Clarste 2009-11-02 02:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by tzia_n (Post 2744053)
Well episode 12 didn't really add much to the Tsubasa Cat arc... so it's quite like a sidetrip. Not that it's a bad one :)

Yes it does. None of the arcs have been entirely about who they're named after. The Mayoi arc was about the Senjougahara/Araragi relationship, the Suruga arc was about the Senjougahara/Araragi relationship, the Nadeko arc was about the Senjougahara/Araragi relationship... oh hey, I think I just noticed a pattern!

Proto 2009-11-02 02:08

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The Mayoi arc was about the Senjougahara/Araragi relationship
With Mayoi as a catalyst.

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the Suruga arc was about the Senjougahara/Araragi relationship
With kouhai-chan as a catalyst

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.... Senjougahara/Araragi relationship!
... really? Well, nadeko was the catalyst anyway

By this point Senjougahara is so GAR that she doesn't need a catalyst anymore, so screw the side characters, who were just fodder anyway.

... is your reasoning something like that? :rolleyes:

Clarste 2009-11-02 02:11

No, it's obvious that Hanekawa will be a catalyst in this arc. However, that doesn't mean that any episode that fails to directly deal with her is a "side story".

tsunade666 2009-11-02 03:02

Have you guys see the Episode 13 already? I can't find it yet.

deadlight 2009-11-02 03:03

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Originally Posted by tsunade666 (Post 2744174)
Have you guys see the Episode 13 already? I can't find it yet.

It hasn't aired yet.

omimon 2009-11-02 03:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarste (Post 2744065)
Yes it does. None of the arcs have been entirely about who they're named after. The Mayoi arc was about the Senjougahara/Araragi relationship, the Suruga arc was about the Senjougahara/Araragi relationship, the Nadeko arc was about the Senjougahara/Araragi relationship... oh hey, I think I just noticed a pattern!

Actually, other then being Araragi's girlfriend she plays a really minor role in terms of Araragi's story. From what I remember, Senjougahara is the last person Araragi ever goes to when it comes to oddities. It is always, Oshino then Shinobou then Hanekawa or Kanbaru. Hell, he even goes to Nadeko and Mayoi who doesn't really have any powers before going to Senjougahara.

People has been crazy for Senjougahara and I can see why, but in terms of usefulness she really is useless.

Azuma Denton 2009-11-02 03:15

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Originally Posted by omimon (Post 2744181)
Actually, other then being Araragi's girlfriend she plays a really minor role in terms of Araragi's story. From what I remember, Senjougahara is the last person Araragi ever goes to when it comes to oddities. It is always, Oshino then Shinobou then Hanekawa or Kanbaru. Hell, he even goes to Nadeko and Mayoi who doesn't really have any powers before going to Senjougahara.

People has been crazy for Senjougahara and I can see why, but in terms of usefulness she really is useless.

Err, but Senjougahara is the one that can help Araragi unexpectedly.

Yeah, in Mayoi arc, she help Mayoi return to her home.
In Kanbaru arc, she is even more crazy, she scared the rainy devil away...

Is she really useless??

Clarste 2009-11-02 03:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by omimon (Post 2744181)
Actually, other then being Araragi's girlfriend she plays a really minor role in terms of Araragi's story. From what I remember, Senjougahara is the last person Araragi ever goes to when it comes to oddities. It is always, Oshino then Shinobou then Hanekawa or Kanbaru. Hell, he even goes to Nadeko and Mayoi who doesn't really have any powers before going to Senjougahara.

People has been crazy for Senjougahara and I can see why, but in terms of usefulness she really is useless.

What does that have to do with anything? Usefulness? What? I was just talking about how all the arcs are pretty explicitly set up as ways of developing their relationship. Note that the relationship is the star here, not the characters themselves necessarily.

Mayoi's arc is about Senjougahara seeing the true nature of Araragi's "helpful" personality, plus the obvious confession and its aftermath. We also get a scene about them promising not to hide things from each other.

Suruga's arc is about the aftermath of that promise, and how it conflicts with Araragi's ideals. He has to realize that suddenly he's important to someone, and that not getting anyone else involved isn't the best way to make everyone happy. It's also about them both wanting to help each other, but not really being sure how to (Senjougahara wants to help him study/get his life in order, Araragi wants to help her get her friend back).

Nadeko's arc is about Senjougahara being pushed into the background. The whole theme was "choose who you want to save" with the analogy being that he can't spend so much time hanging around other girls if he expects to be Senjougahara's boyfriend. You can't be friendly with everyone equally, at some point you have to stop and think about what's most important to you.

Hanekawa's arc is about... well we haven't seen it yet. I don't doubt the events of episode 12 help set it up though.

And yes, there's more to the arcs than that, most obviously the particular issues that the girls had, but in terms what they all mean to Araragi it's pretty obvious what the overall theme is. People sometimes indulge in what I think of as "eroge thinking" in that they separate the story into "routes" that they treat as almost causally isolated from each other. This is simply not the case in most series, and especially not this one. Araragi is the main character for a reason, and no it's not simply to be an audience surrogate. This is his story, and focusing on each arc as an entirely separate thing misses that.

kimholm 2009-11-02 04:01

It won't be subbed on the site will it? And i guess people will just record it from the site and sub it like any other tv episode?

steveotron 2009-11-02 04:03

What/where is the link to stream this?

qwertyman 2009-11-02 11:32

Love how people are discussing previous episode events in an episode 13 topic. :D

Should probably lock this topic until the episode is actually up on the site, imo. Confuses less people and the way I see it, the discussion being had in here should be elsewhere.


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