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ff7799 2004-03-19 17:56

Adding a strike system Please read GHD !!!
 
Hi dude well I have been surfing alot of different forums and I came accross one that did a strike system, your probably wondering what I mean well simply you would program in a strikes option that all users would have within their profiles, when some does something lets say bakaish instead of banning them off the bat they would be given a strike after say 3 strikes the mods would ban they or if you choose to they would be auto banned from the system. This is just a idea but It seems to work well and people tend to calm down when they realize that after one more strike they are out. If you need any help integrating the system I might be able to offer assistance with my limited php skills. lol

boneyjellyfish 2004-03-19 18:09

Does anyone else see the delicious IRONY in this idea that's been proposed by ff7799?

(I'm in favor of the idea if you can get rid of the griefing aspects)

NoSanninWa 2004-03-19 18:23

Actually I like the idea. It can sometimes be tough to remember if I've already given someone a warning already. It can be particularly hard to know if another moderator has given someone a warning. This way the system can keep track of the warnings. This is a most excellent idea.

I would prefer if only moderators and the person being warned could see how many warnings they've gotten. For moderators it would be helpful if the number of warnings are listed right under the persons avatar (replacing post count) so that we can see how troublesome someone has been in the past when we see a troublesome post. I also think that warnings (or strikes) could be removed if we see something really good from someone.

Definitely a great idea. Thanks for it ff7799. If you had strikes against you I'd remove one for that suggestion. The only problem is that I don't know how hard it would be for GHDPro to implement it. I'm still waiting for him to remove the post count.

AG3 2004-03-19 20:23

*Ahem*

I knew I was being ignored here... :p

ff7799 2004-03-19 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa
Actually I like the idea. It can sometimes be tough to remember if I've already given someone a warning already. It can be particularly hard to know if another moderator has given someone a warning. This way the system can keep track of the warnings. This is a most excellent idea.

I would prefer if only moderators and the person being warned could see how many warnings they've gotten. For moderators it would be helpful if the number of warnings are listed right under the persons avatar (replacing post count) so that we can see how troublesome someone has been in the past when we see a troublesome post. I also think that warnings (or strikes) could be removed if we see something really good from someone.

Definitely a great idea. Thanks for it ff7799. If you had strikes against you I'd remove one for that suggestion. The only problem is that I don't know how hard it would be for GHDPro to implement it. I'm still waiting for him to remove the post count.

Yeah however considering all the pretty features he's already addeded to the forums I think he could pull it off in a sinch and I'am sure I could offer a bit of assistance if he couldn't, I'am not just a pretty face

boneyjellyfish 2004-03-19 21:42

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Originally Posted by AG3
*Ahem*

I knew I was being ignored here... :p

I think it's because you haven't been threatening us with any of your singing lately :)

Megane 2004-03-20 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa
Actually I like the idea. It can sometimes be tough to remember if I've already given someone a warning already. It can be particularly hard to know if another moderator has given someone a warning. This way the system can keep track of the warnings. This is a most excellent idea.

I would prefer if only moderators and the person being warned could see how many warnings they've gotten. For moderators it would be helpful if the number of warnings are listed right under the persons avatar (replacing post count) so that we can see how troublesome someone has been in the past when we see a troublesome post. I also think that warnings (or strikes) could be removed if we see something really good from someone.

Definitely a great idea. Thanks for it ff7799. If you had strikes against you I'd remove one for that suggestion. The only problem is that I don't know how hard it would be for GHDPro to implement it. I'm still waiting for him to remove the post count.

Sounds like a nice system, as long as all the mods can agree on how good/bad a questionable action is. There should be no problems if you can easily divide offences into two classes; single strike and instant ban. Would there ever be an occasion where you think that something is obviously worse than a typical single strike ban, but just not enough to justify banning someone? With the ability to also reward good deeds, it sounds a lot like rating posts, albeit only when someone tips the scale to an extreme.

To me the whole thing smells like a reputation system which only the mods can use. Having a rep system, a report post system, and a strike system feels a little like feedback overkill.

hobobaggins 2004-03-20 17:47

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Originally Posted by NoSanninWa
I'm still waiting for him to remove the post count.

ack! thats no fun!

... or do too many people call you a spammer too? :eyespin:



and: there would just be 2 levels of ambiguity. the post report is so that a moderator can see, look at, and decide punishment for that post... i think.

7thMethuselah 2004-03-20 19:41

the idea in itself isn't bad but i'd say add a feature to remove those strikes after a certain amount of time, no use keeping strikes if your previous misstep was 4 months ago. Also mods will have to make rather clear rules then when to give a strike, a warning or a ban. For example don't give people strikes for asking about a licensed show, not everyone keeps up with that, such an offense would only be worth it after a couple of times (but this leads back to the current situation).

Another question is do we really need it? It seems to me these forums are rather well working (especially compared to some other forums I visited in the past) allready and flame wars don't exist at all, if all works fine leave it as it is ... ?

ff7799 2004-03-20 23:11

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Originally Posted by 7thMethuselah
the idea in itself isn't bad but i'd say add a feature to remove those strikes after a certain amount of time, no use keeping strikes if your previous misstep was 4 months ago. Also mods will have to make rather clear rules then when to give a strike, a warning or a ban. For example don't give people strikes for asking about a licensed show, not everyone keeps up with that, such an offense would only be worth it after a couple of times (but this leads back to the current situation).

Another question is do we really need it? It seems to me these forums are rather well working (especially compared to some other forums I visited in the past) allready and flame wars don't exist at all, if all works fine leave it as it is ... ?

Umm I actually think we could definetly use one. Like nosannin pointed out sometimes mods have no idea who's been warned and why someone was banned, with this system they can now keep tabs on the person whom has been given a strike and their won't be any need to question it. All the Moderators know the rules and they aren't going to give someone a strike over something petty however people whom completely disregard the rules or are causing constant flame wars will get a strike in the place of a warning, if they are warmed more that 3 times they are banned. The GHD will probably add additional guidelines when using this system but I'am sure the forums will definetly be better off with it and the Mods will have less of a headache constantly bickering among each other over a single user. If the GHD approves the new system I'am guessing it would be up and running in a couple months or sooner depending on his scehdule to program it in which would not be difficult being that its similar to the post count, the only difference is that Mods would be the only ones able to increment the amount of strikes.

As far as strike removal goes I think if someone has earned a strike they should keep it. I know this system may look a bit harsh but I think it also benefits users. Instead of getting Banned immedietly from a pissed off mod they would be given a strike and I doubt the GHD will allow multiple strikes per violation count. I have seen the system in action and it works well, it cuts down on flame wars and it forces people to read the rules because they don't want to be banned.

JAppi 2004-03-21 00:37

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Originally Posted by ff7799
Umm I actually think we could definetly use one. Like nosannin pointed out sometimes mods have no idea who's been warned and why someone was banned,

Hmm, my insider sources told me that there was a secret thread on one of the 3 secret boards where they post information like that.

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Originally Posted by ff7799
All the Moderators know the rules and they aren't going to give someone a strike over something petty

No, but they're willing to ban you over a simple joke. (Note: I don't mean to hurt any of the mods' feelings.)

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Originally Posted by ff7799
I have seen the system in action and it works well, it cuts down on flame wars and it forces people to read the rules because they don't want to be banned.

Linkage?

Just out of curosity, do you *actually* have any idea of how to implement such a system? have you given any thoughts to the possible repercussions of your stance? Sounds to me that you're just trying to sound harsh so that you appeal to mods. We all know that only xris's best friends get to be mods. A certain kitty cat came back and told us that. :)

NoSanninWa 2004-03-21 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by ff7799
The GHD will probably add additional guidelines when using this system but I'am sure the forums will definetly be better off with it and the Mods will have less of a headache constantly bickering among each other over a single user.

You make us sound bad. We never bicker amongst each other about such things. Generally the system runs very smoothly as we all trust in each other's judgement. If someone gets permanently banned we announce the matter (along with the reason) in our secret moderators forum :naughty: so that everyone knows about it, but arguments over such things are virtually nonexistant.

The only reason that this strike system would be helpful is because sometimes someone is causing trouble that doesn't quite merit a ban and we'd like an easy way to keep track of it so that we'll know if he is a repeat offender.

FinFangFoom 2004-03-21 01:40

I think it sounds like a good idea. But if it turns out to be too much for GDH, what about this?

From what I understand, there are invisible Forum headings just for the mods. Why not make another invisible one called "Notes on Users" or something to that effect, and only create threads in there based on the user name. For example, if I did something bad that would deserve a strike you just create a thread called "FinFangFoom" and in it the mod would make a little comment about what I did and a link to the thread for future reference. If I did something else later the mod could do a search in the "Notes on Users" for "FingFangFoom" and be able to see if I've been warned or punished before from another mod, add their own notes and take appropriate action. Maybe threads could be arranged alphabetically automatically to make it quicker to search.

Also next to the file name "FinFangFoom" you could include the IP address just incase you want to do a quick search to find out if a bad poster is just a banned person coming back.

Not as effective as the strike system, but maybe a possible alternative.

EDIT: Just read Jappi's post, is that what he's talking about?

NoSanninWa 2004-03-21 01:47

We already have something like that. Though we don't create a thread for each user. Boy that would be a lot of threads! But when a thread gets to be several pages long it is hard to keep track of which user once did what. If someone got a warning a month ago and a brief entry is made in that thread, it is still tough to remember that entry from a month ago when I see the same user do something now. I like the strike system as a method of record keeping that is connected to the user so I will see it under his name whenever there is a problem. That is much more convenient than searching a thread. (Or searching to see if there is a thread with his name.)

Besides, it can be awfully inconvenient to have to make a post in a thread every time that I warn someone.

FinFangFoom 2004-03-21 01:55

That makes sense. I guess I wasn't considering how often you have to deal with that kind of stuff, I was thinking maybe a couple times a week per mod tops.

ff7799 2004-03-27 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa
You make us sound bad. We never bicker amongst each other about such things. Generally the system runs very smoothly as we all trust in each other's judgement. If someone gets permanently banned we announce the matter (along with the reason) in our secret moderators forum :naughty: so that everyone knows about it, but arguments over such things are virtually nonexistant.

The only reason that this strike system would be helpful is because sometimes someone is causing trouble that doesn't quite merit a ban and we'd like an easy way to keep track of it so that we'll know if he is a repeat offender.

Hey Dude has the GHD made any statement upon the status of the strike system.

xris 2004-03-27 10:34

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Originally Posted by ff7799
Hey Dude has the GHD made any statement upon the status of the strike system.

Doesn't look like it does it. I don't see the need for it, it's not as if there are a lot of trouble makers around these forums (or at least not ones that would help if we kept tabs on them).

I don't see that the effort required to implement such a system is warranted. If we think someone is making a pest of themselves, we generally post a note for the other Mods to see. If such behaviour continues, then we know it may be time to ban someone. That seems to work for us I believe.

BTW, why is it you want such a system in place?

ff7799 2004-03-27 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by xris
Doesn't look like it does it. I don't see the need for it, it's not as if there are a lot of trouble makers around these forums (or at least not ones that would help if we kept tabs on them).

I don't see that the effort required to implement such a system is warranted. If we think someone is making a pest of themselves, we generally post a note for the other Mods to see. If such behaviour continues, then we know it may be time to ban someone. That seems to work for us I believe.

BTW, why is it you want such a system in place?

Just a proposal. I had seen the system work well on another large forum and I figured it would be easier for mods to assign a strike rather than head over to the secret forum and discuss someone, each time they did something Bakaish. After three strikes they are banned. I figured it would make things a little easier for you guys and like this section of this forum suggest, this is a simple a suggestions, sorry if you find it foolish, I just thought it was a good idea.

GHDpro 2004-03-27 10:49

I'm making this reply without reading through every post in it, so just bear this in mind.

Afaik, vBulletin doesn't by default support this. The only "strike" system is supports is for
users trying to hack other users accounts -- it can be set that only a few failed logins are
allowed. But the system that is proposed in this thread is not in vBulletin yet and would
have to be completely hacked in.

And I'm not keen on that, certainly as I'm backlogged already on "scripting jobs" (rewriting
both the backend Control Panel of AnimeSuki and eventually the frontend scripts that display
the site).

Plus -- I think xris makes a good point.

ff7799 2004-03-27 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by GHDpro
I'm making this reply without reading through every post in it, so just bear this in mind.

Afaik, vBulletin doesn't by default support this. The only "strike" system is supports is for
users trying to hack other users accounts -- it can be set that only a few failed logins are
allowed. But the system that is proposed in this thread is not in vBulletin yet and would
have to be completely hacked in.

And I'm not keen on that, certainly as I'm backlogged already on "scripting jobs" (rewriting
both the backend Control Panel of AnimeSuki and eventually the frontend scripts that display
the site).

Plus -- I think xris makes a good point.

Understood, sorry for wasting your time.


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