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james0246 2010-09-14 08:40

[Manga] Chapter 510 Discussion
 
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Chapter Status: Early Spoiler out...

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Title: An Unexpected Kinjutsu

-Madara falls into the sea of Paper. He attempts to teleport away, only to be stopped by a barrage of exploding papers (Konan and Madara both explain the extent to the teleportation ability). Konan reveals that she prepared 600 billion exploding seals just for Madara. The jutsu commences and Konan looks down at Madara expecting him to be dead…only for him to appear behind her :).

-Madara survives…by using Izanagi!

-Konan questions how the technique works. Madara explains that only someone with both Uchiha and Senjuu powers can use Izanagi because…dunh dunh dunh Izanagi was originally the power of the Rikudou-Sennin! And it is a far greater ability than any of us suspected. Using the power of Inton (Yin Release) – the spiritual power of imagination; and the power of Yotoun (Yang Release) – the physical power of life, the Rikudou-Sennin was literally able to bring life into existence. It is from their combined powers, the Onmyouton (Yin-Yang Release), that the Rikudou-Sennin was able to create the Bijuu (by splitting up the Jyuubi into 9 seperate new lifeforms known as the Bijuu). This is the true power of Izanagi.

-Konan terrified by what she is hearing, asks just what is Madara?

-Madara explains that he is both Madara and Hashirama (I am unsure if this is literal or not). The battle at VotE was really to gain the other’s power. To become the 2nd Rikudou-Sennin (presumably Madara failed, and that is why he created Akatsuki, but it is unclear in the spoilers).

-Konan attempts to flee, and Madara mocks her, deriding her faith in Naruto and calling Nagato a sham that wasted his life. She attempts more techniques, but they fail before Madara. Eventually he gains the information he needs and abandons her after she collapses on the battlefield.

-Approaching the tomb of Nagato, Madara explains that Nagato was the 3rd Rikudou-Sennin, and that his red hair came from his Uzumaki heritage. He then explains that his hair turned white, at the end, because he was using the true power of the Rikudou-Sennin...

-end of chapter...?

ShadowAssasin 2010-09-14 09:12

Wow, impressive. He managed to beat most of the theories I've read and still have it make sense, I like that. Did he take off his mask, or simply state that he was both people?

Kyero Fox 2010-09-14 09:15

Soo..soo she didn't die!? OH THANK GOD ..for now :(

james0246 2010-09-14 09:17

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Originally Posted by ShadowAssasin (Post 3244631)
Wow, impressive. He managed to beat most of the theories I've read and still have it make sense, I like that. Did he take off his mask, or simply state that he was both people?

It's unclear currently, and I am unsure if Madara is actually stating that he did attain these powers (he did somehow combine with Hashirama, or at least somehow come into possession of Hashirama's body's energy), or if he merely tried to and failed (I'm guessing that he tried and failed considering that he does not have the Rinnegan).

tarachi 2010-09-14 09:18

Fusion?! The body of hashirama and the spirit of Madara? So Nagato and Naruto are blood related (distant)

Frenchie 2010-09-14 09:23

Not surprised. Although how you can possibly defeat an Izanagi, I have no idea.

ShadowAssasin 2010-09-14 09:31

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Originally Posted by james0246 (Post 3244640)
It's unclear currently, and I am unsure if Madara is actually stating that he did attain these powers (he did somehow combine with Hashirama, or at least somehow come into possession of Hashirama's body's energy), or if he merely tried to and failed.

Perhaps he tried and only partially attained the powers. Then again, he may be lying because there's still a chance he's really Obito; they have the same sharingan eye on the same side of the face... Not to mention they have the same hair style, *and* they're both drawn in black and white.

SeanQ 2010-09-14 09:39

*confused* so the rikkudo made the 10-tail? and had to kick its ass afterwards...?

neshru 2010-09-14 09:48

This is all getting overly complicated. I wish we could just get on with the war.

Bari_Phillis 2010-09-14 09:57

Woah, claps for all of those who called there being a relationship between Nagato and the Uzumakis.

What would this mean for Naruto? That he has the potential to gain the rinnegan? I don't think so....

His "bloodline" combined with the "power" that Itachi gave him could mean that he has the necessary skills to fight on par with Madara.

Kanon 2010-09-14 10:22

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Originally Posted by SeanQ (Post 3244671)
*confused* so the rikkudo made the 10-tail? and had to kick its ass afterwards...?

He made the bijuus from the 10 tails chakra using his onmyouton ability, he didn't create the 10 tails itself. I admit James' summary is just a bit confusing ( :p )

Not too fussed about Nagato being an Uzumaki. So, uh, does that mean Karin is related to the Uzumaki clan as well?

Luminion Lancer 2010-09-14 10:27

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Originally Posted by james0246 (Post 3244586)
-Approaching the tomb of Nagato, Madara explains that Nagato was the 3rd Rikudou-Sennin, and that his red hair came from his Uzumaki heritage. He then explains that his hair turned white, at the end, because he was using the true power of the Rikudou-Sennin...

-CONFIRMED: Naruto's ultimate power-up will be the Rinnengan. Congratulations, Kishimoto on giving away your ultimate plot-twist full-swing. Oh well, not like I care.

-And YES, Konan lives even if she got scared. Its OK Konan, we still love you (some of us). Now you can give information to Konoha or something...

Kyero Fox 2010-09-14 10:43

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Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto (Post 3244761)
-CONFIRMED: Naruto's ultimate power-up will be the Rinnengan. Congratulations, Kishimoto on giving away your ultimate plot-twist full-swing. Oh well, not like I care.

-And YES, Konan lives even if she got scared. Its OK Konan, we still love you (some of us). Now you can give information to Konoha or something...

thats what i hope, and Naruto defending her by sayin she's a good girl now and will help. btw.. wheres Karin?

james0246 2010-09-14 10:47

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Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 3244747)
He made the bijuus from the 10 tails chakra using his onmyouton ability, he didn't create the 10 tails itself. I admit James' summary is just a bit confusing ( :p )

Sorry about that :). I was unsure as to the proper placement of the action, so the combined text is a little stilted. And the description of Izanagi, despite the particulars, is fairly vague. Specifically, is Izanagi a part of Onmyouton (a technique that is only possible if one is able to use Onmyouton), or is Izanagi actually the name for Onmyouton? Because the spoilers are a little vague on the matter...

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Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 3244747)
Not too fussed about Nagato being an Uzumaki. So, uh, does that mean Karin is related to the Uzumaki clan as well?

And Gaara too :).

Does anyone else remember the spoiler from a year or two ago about how Kushina secretly had twins, and Karin was Naruto's missing sibling...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto (Post 3244761)
-CONFIRMED: Naruto's ultimate power-up will be the Rinnengan. Congratulations, Kishimoto on giving away your ultimate plot-twist full-swing. Oh well, not like I care...

Nagato being an Uzumaki might be the reason Madara gave him the Rinnegan...

That being said, I don't see how that means Naruto would attain the doujutsu. Nagato was given the eye, and Madara attempted to recreate it inside of himself (presumably he failed, but maybe he succeeded and that is what created the current body he inhabits).

kakakka 2010-09-14 10:56

Some spoiler implied that Konan is dead....

Spoiler for 510:

SeanQ 2010-09-14 11:08

Lol so...was Nagato a mistake...because his parents sure as hell weren't uzumakis...

Kyero Fox 2010-09-14 11:10

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Originally Posted by kakakka (Post 3244808)
Some spoiler implied that Konan is dead....

Spoiler for 510:

someone will save her =\

Please someone save her, ah hell I will *writes fanfic*

Cub-Sama 2010-09-14 11:19

Nagato had Uzumaki heritage, well wouldn't he have a stronger life force and be able to withstand using Gedo Mazo? Oh well Nagato did say that him and Naruto were siblings.

I don't like though how everything is either Uchiha or Senju, my next guess is that Uchiha is to Hyuuga as Senju is to Uzumaki.

Luminion Lancer 2010-09-14 13:23

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Originally Posted by james0246 (Post 3244793)
That being said, I don't see how that means Naruto would attain the doujutsu. Nagato was given the eye, and Madara attempted to recreate it inside of himself (presumably he failed, but maybe he succeeded and that is what created the current body he inhabits).

-Same way Madara tried but failed, except Naruto will succeed where Madara himself had failed. Which all the more reason for Konan to live and give the information to Konoha (Naruto specifically). If you'll permit me some indulgence. All the pieces are there: an Uchiha and an Uzumaki are present (Sasuke and Naruto). Since Naruto already obtained the Kyuubi's chakra, something the original Rikudou-Sennin created, which Madara does not have within himself (he has the other 7 beasts though). Additionaly, Naruto has been presented in the image of the Rikudou-Sennin himself (via his Kyuubi activation and his sealing technique used to entrap the Kyuubi again). Either Naruto is going to be the next Rikudou-Sennin or he's going to obtain his own Rinnegan that is unique only to him.

EDIT: Hell, Naruto doesn't even NEED Sasuke for this. He's got Itachi's crow within himself still. So yeah, wether Sasuke co-operates or not is no issue. He can just sit back and watch his friend out-class him.

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Originally Posted by kakakka (Post 3244808)
Some spoiler implied that Konan is dead....

Spoiler for 510:

Spoiler for Konan:

morbosfist 2010-09-14 13:37

Not that it really matters since he has nearly a hundred spares, but I hope this cost Madara an eye. It better not be free.


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