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Eidolon Sniper · 2008-07-02, 02:42

@ Sir Dearka

The fact is that they did break laws. So you're basing your argument on reasons that would allow for the criminals to do as they please just because they weren't caught? It's still the same, they did break laws. And even if other countries have more lenient laws than others, the lawbreakers can't change the fact that they did break laws, they still did something bad. It doesn't change the fact that they were lawbreakers, only a more lenient set of laws allow them to do so, but even the more lenient laws have their own limitations, or they could only allow that law to be broken only up to a certain point. Lacus is guilty of breaking the law, just as much as EA and the PLANTs were. How can you not understand that? So it must mean that EA and PLANTs broke the law, but this doesn't mean that Lacus broke it, since the 2 factions already broke the law in the first place? That logic is nonsensical. They still broke laws, whatever angle you put it.

@ monstert

It's because they were the major factions involved in the last war. But even if that was just the case, why did the Treaty also include Orb in what it specified? Besides, the Treaty as we know it are summarized and only brought up specific points of interest such as what was written in wiki and Gundam Official; unless of course, if the entire Treaty was also written down someplace, and allows for a more in-depth view of the Treaty in itself, there could be a possibility that other points of interest are not also included. The PLANTs and the EA are considered the more important points because they are the factions most vulnerable to Treaty breaking, or for whatever reason; the Treaty was put in place to prevent the repeat of the last war that has happened. The mere fact that the Treaty was put in place because of this major reason is enough reason for all people involved, or people on the PLANTs or on Earth for that matter, to not break it, as it could upset the balance of power, and other countries could literally take that breaking of rules or the Treaty as a threat to their country's security.

Lacus used Freedom, and theoretically, since she was welcomed back to the PLANTs at the end of SE IV, it could be assumed that she acts as a rogue part of the PLANTs. If not this argument, Lacus is a private citizen who managed to amass a suspicious army including SF, IJ and the DOMs and is guilty of upsetting the balance that was long since lost at what the PLANTs and the EA did beforehand. She did and still break the Treaty, as much as what these 2 factions did, she is not innocent of not breaking any treaty, and her secretive nature about creating the SF, IJ and DOMs, as well as maintaining an intelligence network that spans the PLANTs and the entire planet without any good reason whatsoever (except for plot reasons) is enough to warrant Lacus Clyne as a scary political figure in the PLANTs and the entire world. She could easily use all those resources of hers to single handedly bring everything down and use it to fortify and strengthen her own power. It's what dictators do.

The SF and IJ were breaking the Treaty's specifics on nuclear armament and technology, and they could be created during the time wherein the PLANTs and the EA were also tackling their own Treaty violations. So yes this is very relevant, because as we don't know how she came to build the 2 suits (after stealing the designs for it ) - it is not as easy as something that could be built in a span of a few episodes only. She is a private citizen, which makes her violating the Treaty as disrespecting the laws or the Treaty even more than what the PLANTs or the EA did. At least the PLANTs and EA had their own reasons why they had to break the Treaty, but they still broke the Treaty nonetheless - it's for going against the other side. Lacus? What reason does she have in creating the new suits, maintaining the intelligence network? She has none. She interfered again in the war, effectively making the war into her own business again. And this is even more so when we only knew about Terminal and Factory in the very same eps that they were introduced.

Whatever the reason, they still broke the Treaty.

2008-07-02, 02:42	Link #387
Eidolon Sniper Tsubasa No Kami Artist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Returning to my Place as the QUEEN...XD	@ Sir Dearka The fact is that they did break laws. So you're basing your argument on reasons that would allow for the criminals to do as they please just because they weren't caught? It's still the same, they did break laws. And even if other countries have more lenient laws than others, the lawbreakers can't change the fact that they did break laws, they still did something bad. It doesn't change the fact that they were lawbreakers, only a more lenient set of laws allow them to do so, but even the more lenient laws have their own limitations, or they could only allow that law to be broken only up to a certain point. Lacus is guilty of breaking the law, just as much as EA and the PLANTs were. How can you not understand that? So it must mean that EA and PLANTs broke the law, but this doesn't mean that Lacus broke it, since the 2 factions already broke the law in the first place? That logic is nonsensical. They still broke laws, whatever angle you put it. @ monstert It's because they were the major factions involved in the last war. But even if that was just the case, why did the Treaty also include Orb in what it specified? Besides, the Treaty as we know it are summarized and only brought up specific points of interest such as what was written in wiki and Gundam Official; unless of course, if the entire Treaty was also written down someplace, and allows for a more in-depth view of the Treaty in itself, there could be a possibility that other points of interest are not also included. The PLANTs and the EA are considered the more important points because they are the factions most vulnerable to Treaty breaking, or for whatever reason; the Treaty was put in place to prevent the repeat of the last war that has happened. The mere fact that the Treaty was put in place because of this major reason is enough reason for all people involved, or people on the PLANTs or on Earth for that matter, to not break it, as it could upset the balance of power, and other countries could literally take that breaking of rules or the Treaty as a threat to their country's security. Lacus used Freedom, and theoretically, since she was welcomed back to the PLANTs at the end of SE IV, it could be assumed that she acts as a rogue part of the PLANTs. If not this argument, Lacus is a private citizen who managed to amass a suspicious army including SF, IJ and the DOMs and is guilty of upsetting the balance that was long since lost at what the PLANTs and the EA did beforehand. She did and still break the Treaty, as much as what these 2 factions did, she is not innocent of not breaking any treaty, and her secretive nature about creating the SF, IJ and DOMs, as well as maintaining an intelligence network that spans the PLANTs and the entire planet without any good reason whatsoever (except for plot reasons) is enough to warrant Lacus Clyne as a scary political figure in the PLANTs and the entire world. She could easily use all those resources of hers to single handedly bring everything down and use it to fortify and strengthen her own power. It's what dictators do. The SF and IJ were breaking the Treaty's specifics on nuclear armament and technology, and they could be created during the time wherein the PLANTs and the EA were also tackling their own Treaty violations. So yes this is very relevant, because as we don't know how she came to build the 2 suits (after stealing the designs for it ) - it is not as easy as something that could be built in a span of a few episodes only. She is a private citizen, which makes her violating the Treaty as disrespecting the laws or the Treaty even more than what the PLANTs or the EA did. At least the PLANTs and EA had their own reasons why they had to break the Treaty, but they still broke the Treaty nonetheless - it's for going against the other side. Lacus? What reason does she have in creating the new suits, maintaining the intelligence network? She has none. She interfered again in the war, effectively making the war into her own business again. And this is even more so when we only knew about Terminal and Factory in the very same eps that they were introduced. Whatever the reason, they still broke the Treaty. __________________ Ethereal Exiled Queen. NATCH~~~!!!