[Narona]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Men, in general, don't wear the following as a clothing need :

1. Bra
2. Skirts (unless you are a Scottish Highlander or related armed forces / culture)
3. Or even, underwear (heard of going commando?)

Thus I would say men need less of grooming products and "specialised clothing". In fact, dressing simple can be a pro for saving money, just T-shirt, jeans, track shoes / sneakers and short hair will do. No need for some flamboyant tube top that slips off the chest, or collared shirt that makes you look professional.

I passed by a boutique once and saw this skimpy clothing worth $150. I spoke my mind out a little too loud and went, "How the **** can this piece of handkerchief cost so much?" But yeah, today it is all over the place. And we have girls complaining of rape and molestation but wear such clothing. Obviously they traded too much of their brains for looks.

As a fan of clothes, I just oppose you (again). What you say is not always true. Yes, you pay the brand, but for example, if you look closely, the quality of a piece of cloth from a French or Italian Grand Couturier has nothing to do with the clothes you can buy at the supermarket.

I don't say I am buying ton of them (Most of the time I just go to the stores and try the clothes or do windows shopping), but the asthonishing quality is there. I don't say that all the pieces of clothes are beautiful. There are a lot of awful clothes and collections (visually), but even so, the quality of the dressmaking is astonishing. And there are a lot of beautiful clothes that you'll never find in normal stores.

Notice that many of these "beauty and health experts" work for private health & beauty companies. It is just an overlying principle to use their products.

A more pragmatic and realistic mantra would be "Eat well. Stay fit. Die anyway." There is nothing more important in this world than time.

Going by your way of thinking, why don't people just kill themselves since they're destined to die?

I could write pages about beauty and health, but I will just say that you're wrong if you think that everything is bullshit.

The problem is about time. When one doesn't have enough, he/she will have to make do. Keeping things simple would be fine, but not to the extent of dressing in slippers, shorts and shirt to look like what we call, in local slang, an "Ah beng".

I am a busy person and I still find a lot the time for beauty, health, cuisine, chores etc. But I just don't play videogames a lot, and such (i don't blame VG, i Love VG, i just don't have the time for it). I just follow my dah homemade daily schedule rigorously.

You should upload your thought engrams onto the internet for my local girls to download. Due to the fact that most guys here don't openly criticise girls on their use of makeup, it gets more atrocious.

IMO, I feel that Asian girls don't really need skin makeup (powder, etc) due to their natural skin colour. Somehow it makes them look more nauseating. A little mascara and lip gloss to cover parched lips will do fine, and if best, no makeup at all.

One of the key points even before talking about skills is that you have to choose the products that are the best for your skin, hair etc.

For example, the creams i buy are very good for me, given how is my skin. Many girls *just* buy things without wondering if it's compatible or not with their skin. You don't buy a foundation cream for normal skin if you have a dry skin. That's utterly stupid and it can actually harm your skin. I don't talk about not having the money for good products, but about those who don't choose properly.

Spoiler for OT:

My grandma died in my first year in high school, and my grandpa died one week before I enlist (ONLY my dad was there to see me off). My dad was a troublemaker all his life (so I was a chip off the old block, haha), so I could say my turn going to the army could be a consolation to my grandparents that my father had done fine enough in life.

Life is full of ups and downs. Nobody can predict death, but when your time is up, it is up. Suck it up and move on if it is your kin.

No one can predict death (aside from a "we will all die someday"), but one can plan thing. If I start to plan my life just by considering the fact that I could die tomorrow, then I would do Nothing at all.

She probby meant those guys who would act rather than talk, or maybe to an extent, "Do first, talk later". I am one of such, I believe that it is a waste of time talking when more things can be done. Too bad for teamwork and pre-planning.

If the girl wants a long term relationship, then it can't work if her BF just doesn't plan anything about their future. Not thinking before acting, in this case, will lead the couple to nothing good imo.

Raising a child requires around 20 years and a few million dollars, exclusive of tax and inflation. It is about work-life balance.

IMO it will require my whole life, not just 20 years. Whether my child is 1 month or 40 years old, I will still be his/her mother, and try to be there for him/her whenever he/she needs me. I don't see it as a sacrifice since I am supposed to have chosen to have a baby. It will be my responsibility.

About the money, I know a couple of couples who live well even if the girl doesn't have a job because she takes care of their kids. I don't know how it works in the usa, but here it's possible to do good studies even if you're quite poor and to end up with a well-paid job. Not all achieve it, but it's mainly because it requires to work harder than ever at school.

Originally Posted by Mystique

I try offering wax to them and they look at me like I'm crazy xD

I do the same

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Well, someone could have inherited a fortune or won the lottery and not work at all, but still they'd lose face in front of everyone else, being thought of as lazy or incompetent. There's also schedules to be taken into consideration: working hours can vary from the casual 8~15 to 20~3 depending on the job. Some people also worry about occupational hazards, flexibility and stability (teachers don't change schools as often as soldiers change countries) and many more things I can't think of right now since I just woke up.

You will spend a lot more if you raise one now with the incoming crisis~ (and there's also tuition fees, medical treatment,an extra room in the house, additional furniture etc.)

As I said above, in France, it's still possible for the girl to be a housewife (nowadays it doesn't happen often, but most of the time it's a choice, and not because it's not possible). And it's still possible for people to do very good studies that don't cost a lot and that end up with a good job (our system is criticized but you can be poor and end up at the top. The husband of one of my best friends comes from a family who had financial problems, and has an excellent job now. They are already parents, so I am well aware of those things)

Nah. Cause and effect : The fish wouldn't be hooked if there isn't a bait present. Just like how guys get turned on by pretty girls and vice versa.

So a pretty girl is at fault to be pretty? o____o

humans get blinded by their hormones at times

Since when is it a good excuse. If the society accepted that as a perfect excuse, we would just not condemn the rapes and act no differently than the other animals.

Guys don't wear vest and shorts all the time (I don't think we 21st century guys are as hairy as our homo erectus ancestors). They can live without it AT ALL because we don't have mammaries bouncing around (save for the guys who have moobs), nor can we wear skirts without being targeted by a prejudice squad. Then precisely we know that we guys do not have to wear skirts, we DARE to go commando.

In the USA, maybe, but it's not true for everyone here. There are many men who are real softie here o.o

About going commando, meh... <.<

Spoiler for NSFW:

I have did that (tucking the *ahem* straight into my pants after toilet, no cleaning) for 7 full days in a row while outfield. But I am only one among the large number guys who had to do that.

I would have preferred to not read that. Next time I'll not look

I can more or less understand what you are pointing at, and we can debate this until the cows / Vexx comes home, but I think you will understand that better when you have a husband, because we men do things you women won't know (unless you plan to marry one of us but not a fellow woman). Otherwise, everything I explain would result in be getting slammed by a bahn hammer due to most of them being NSFW.

Don't put all the men in the same bag, that would be insulting for some of them I know a few young men that are not like what you think (that could explain why most of them are already married/fiançé <.<)

Now I have became a prominent target practice for a female poster with long hair and bad temper.

You can say awful things (really), and act like a brat, but it happens that you do say things that make sense.

You seem to bear hard-feelings and resentment, but you also seem to be aware of many important things (even if you don't inevitably put them in practice).

A real crazy and stupid person would not think like that. I might be wrong but you give me the feeling of a prisoner in despair who can't do anything, gets mad at it, says many stupidities without really believing in them, and so do mistakes and bad things, but is [still] not crazy.

Recessions come once in a while. My parents have to raise me through Desert Shield / Storm, Asian Economic Crisis, 9/11, etc. My dad lost his job twice, and they have to continue to financially support me because I can't find a financially - supportive enough job out there at my age due to my education level (YES, even I have a high school cert, I can't earn enough to even support myself here).

It is how old you support your child UNTIL he is financially independent. There is no age limit. For example, a late developing child needs to be supported until mid 20s or even 30s, thus the long term financial strain that drains and adds to the cost.

As I see it, there's no age limit for parents to help their childrens. That doesn't mean to raise spoiled brats, but we don't become parents for only 20 or 30 years (I don't count those who die early). For the rest of our life, I consider that we have to bear that responsibility. The ones who choose to have sex and make children are the parents. I saw parents who blame their children as if it was the fault of the kid to exist. Sometimes I wish that those people will never have any children, because they don't take their responsibilities.

A child is not just a financial investment, it is also an emotional one. And due to the fact that how he looks can affect his and your future, it is advisable (I don't want to say this, but it is a hard fact in life) that if you look ugly, or have a history of recessive or dysfunctional genes, don't give birth. Everyone suffers and it simply isn't worth it IMO.

It's not that simple. Most of the not so good looking people, even them, can find love and desire to have children. I am crap at science, but i have seen a documentary about cases of two persons who are not good looking or have health problems, but who had quite nice children. I don't say it means that it happens often, but just that it apparently can.

About the cases of recessive or dysfunctional genes, you may be right ; but I think we can understand how they could also wish for children (having children). Sometimes, it worths it to take the risk. In the documentary that I was talking about, there was that case of two Little persons (dwarfism) who had a good looking normal boy. That boy also bears the recessive or dysfunctional genes even if he looks normal; but he didn't blame his parents. And thanks to the science, maybe one day, we will able to help those people to get rid of those genes.

Life is also all about thinking, and taking some risks