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Judoh · 2010-07-30, 16:07

So I guess I'm going to put together my George culprit theory now. I'm not going to spend my time on the how for the murders because getting around the red and explaining things away is pretty easy (and something Battler says in game 5 [1] gives me an excuse to not worry about it) So I'm going to focus on hints that make him capable of being the culprit as a narrative and a person instead. So rather than a theory to get around the red think of this as a character analysis.

The first part is George's interest in the occult/magic.

Spoiler for space:

From the start we find out that George is a show off [2] (this is a flaw of his and it acts as a huge hint for the flashy way the murders are presented) and he likes to smooth things over when conversations are getting bad. In particular the conversations about Magic and personalities are one of the things he smooths things over with in the first two games [3]. From this we start to see more of George's intellectual ability and his tendency to steer conversation (and his understanding of personalities for you shkanon guys). It's George who suggests there might be a charm (scorpion charm) to protect Battler and Jessica from the witch [4]. It's George and Shannon who nod their head to every answer Maria gives about magic [5]. It's George who suggests in the prologue in game 2 before Shannon can say it, that him and Shannon's meeting each other was caused by magic and goes further to say that 'magic's power lies in the power of feeling'[6]. He implies he has own sources in the chapel when he impresses Battler with some knowledge about some magic circle and doesn't admit Maria told him [7], and he describes occult resurrection in great detail in his narration in game 3. [8] So from this we can guess that George at least has knowledge of the occult that is fairly above a basic level. He's also always the first person to notice Maria pull out the letter at Dinner and in the chapel (after she asks him if Dinner's over by the way) [9] and is the first to notice the gold bars on the table in game 2 also [10]. Knowing some episode 7 knowledge it also seems to be implied that he led the cousins to the guesthouse with knowledge that Shannon's shift would change to be there or that Shannon/Genji changed it to make the proposal happen without interruption. (this shift change is also hinted at in later episodes as well like episode 3).[34] Add in Maria's rose and it's as if George is setting up every mystery in the first few games even mentioning how the letters are about collecting interest. If he's not behind all of this than he must be almost as bad as Nanjo at keeping secrets. In the later games it seems that some things get in the way though preventing the letters from being delivered. To go beyond this George has something in common with Maria [11] and Ange [12] in that he was bullied as a kid just like the both of them [13] and both of them started their occult hobbies from that experience. This explains why there is that huge backstory for Maria and Ange in game 4. If I'm right this serves as an important hint that we need to figure out George is the culprit. George also seems to prefer fantasies over mysteries (game 1 tea party) [14] and (game 6)[15]. So I can imagine him trying to make Battler think this is a fantasy on the gameboard level. All in all George knows things he shouldn't if he wasn't involved and he has characteristics of characters that have shown some importance in the story and I think that is suspicious in and of itself.

The second is George is the only person explicitly shown to be capable of Familicide.

Spoiler for space:

The only people I'd be sure he couldn't kill are Hideyoshi and his Fiance, Shannon. I'm not just talking about the Headship test in game 3 [16] where he outright says he can kill them all. George is calm and collected he's good at smoothing things over and directing conversation to the point where you might forget you were even talking about something uncomfortable just a minute ago. In certain scenes he's shown to be manipulative and says in his narration that he likes to bully Shannon that exposes that nature (though in a loving way) [17] . It wouldn't be unusual for him to be able to manipulate people into being an accomplice in murder in cases where he can't do it by himself in fact he's the only family member specifically shown to be ordering the servants for selfish reasons.[18] The only thing almost anyone else orders them for is delivering tea and doing chores. So it's possible for him to take advantage of rank and a furniture complex to gather accomplices if he doesn't have to bribe them. Here's an example of were he might by signaling an accomplice.[33] They don't even really need an order to follow him as long as they believe it is his will [19].(this kind of influence is also thought of as a possibility in Higurashi in Shion's TIPS about the Sonozaki conspiracy) In game 1 Eva implies something along the lines of “that if 19th person does not exist that means someone is manipulating people to murder (most specifically the servants) and George, ironically fits the bill in her theory about the culprit.[20] In this scene he's called a new master of the servants [21] Even more than that he thinks like a king using Hideyoshi's stories from the Sengoku era and Eva's monarch like attitude to create his own philosophy on life.[22] At the same time he's shown to be possessive of Shannon [23][32]. As noted by Oliver the metaphor used in reference to George's wedding ring that it's meant to say “this woman is mine” is very similar to the description to Erika's specially made ring for Battler in game 6 [24]. It's also emphasized in that same episode that George has no interest in becoming the family head [25]. So I can rule that out as a motive, honestly though I don't think it would've made sense as a motive for murder in the long run anyway. He wants to create his own business empire, and his own family [26] with the way he talks I don't think he has any attachments to this family right now I don't think he'd have a huge problem getting rid of them, but I don't know about what Shannon would think. It's said that he's well on his way in the business world, he's very prepared and I've suggested it's possible he had someone he knew like Okonogi [27] to pull some strings and fill the safety deposit boxes with illegal/yakuza money. Like Genji, maybe Okonogi owes him some kind of debt or maybe George promised him financial backing in the future. It could explain the 'world peace' thing in the game 6 tea party. Furthermore George was prepared enough to know that the Typhoon was coming and change his schedule, and this level of preparedness is necessary to set up a serial murder scheme like this [28] not only that I'd say it suggests he has some sort of big business responsibilities since he's prepared to go back on monday. The TIPS describe him as “an Affable young man who is loved by everyone in the family”[29]. It'd be totally unexpected for a “nice guy” like him to be a mass murderer.

Third he has tons of motive.

Spoiler for space:

So these are my 31 pieces of evidence suggesting the George is the culprit

NEW EVIDENCE APPEARS.

According to a reliable, source, GEORGE STEALS CANDY FROM KIDS! [32]

2010-07-30, 16:07	Link #14814
Judoh Mystery buff Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Gone Fishin!	Judoh's George culprit analysis So I guess I'm going to put together my George culprit theory now. I'm not going to spend my time on the how for the murders because getting around the red and explaining things away is pretty easy (and something Battler says in game 5 [1] gives me an excuse to not worry about it) So I'm going to focus on hints that make him capable of being the culprit as a narrative and a person instead. So rather than a theory to get around the red think of this as a character analysis. The first part is George's interest in the occult/magic. Spoiler for space: From the start we find out that George is a show off [2] (this is a flaw of his and it acts as a huge hint for the flashy way the murders are presented) and he likes to smooth things over when conversations are getting bad. In particular the conversations about Magic and personalities are one of the things he smooths things over with in the first two games [3]. From this we start to see more of George's intellectual ability and his tendency to steer conversation (and his understanding of personalities for you shkanon guys). It's George who suggests there might be a charm (scorpion charm) to protect Battler and Jessica from the witch [4]. It's George and Shannon who nod their head to every answer Maria gives about magic [5]. It's George who suggests in the prologue in game 2 before Shannon can say it, that him and Shannon's meeting each other was caused by magic and goes further to say that 'magic's power lies in the power of feeling'[6]. He implies he has own sources in the chapel when he impresses Battler with some knowledge about some magic circle and doesn't admit Maria told him [7], and he describes occult resurrection in great detail in his narration in game 3. [8] So from this we can guess that George at least has knowledge of the occult that is fairly above a basic level. He's also always the first person to notice Maria pull out the letter at Dinner and in the chapel (after she asks him if Dinner's over by the way) [9] and is the first to notice the gold bars on the table in game 2 also [10]. Knowing some episode 7 knowledge it also seems to be implied that he led the cousins to the guesthouse with knowledge that Shannon's shift would change to be there or that Shannon/Genji changed it to make the proposal happen without interruption. (this shift change is also hinted at in later episodes as well like episode 3).[34] Add in Maria's rose and it's as if George is setting up every mystery in the first few games even mentioning how the letters are about collecting interest. If he's not behind all of this than he must be almost as bad as Nanjo at keeping secrets. In the later games it seems that some things get in the way though preventing the letters from being delivered. To go beyond this George has something in common with Maria [11] and Ange [12] in that he was bullied as a kid just like the both of them [13] and both of them started their occult hobbies from that experience. This explains why there is that huge backstory for Maria and Ange in game 4. If I'm right this serves as an important hint that we need to figure out George is the culprit. George also seems to prefer fantasies over mysteries (game 1 tea party) [14] and (game 6)[15]. So I can imagine him trying to make Battler think this is a fantasy on the gameboard level. All in all George knows things he shouldn't if he wasn't involved and he has characteristics of characters that have shown some importance in the story and I think that is suspicious in and of itself. The second is George is the only person explicitly shown to be capable of Familicide. Spoiler for space: The only people I'd be sure he couldn't kill are Hideyoshi and his Fiance, Shannon. I'm not just talking about the Headship test in game 3 [16] where he outright says he can kill them all. George is calm and collected he's good at smoothing things over and directing conversation to the point where you might forget you were even talking about something uncomfortable just a minute ago. In certain scenes he's shown to be manipulative and says in his narration that he likes to bully Shannon that exposes that nature (though in a loving way) [17] . It wouldn't be unusual for him to be able to manipulate people into being an accomplice in murder in cases where he can't do it by himself in fact he's the only family member specifically shown to be ordering the servants for selfish reasons.[18] The only thing almost anyone else orders them for is delivering tea and doing chores. So it's possible for him to take advantage of rank and a furniture complex to gather accomplices if he doesn't have to bribe them. Here's an example of were he might by signaling an accomplice.[33] They don't even really need an order to follow him as long as they believe it is his will [19].(this kind of influence is also thought of as a possibility in Higurashi in Shion's TIPS about the Sonozaki conspiracy) In game 1 Eva implies something along the lines of “that if 19th person does not exist that means someone is manipulating people to murder (most specifically the servants) and George, ironically fits the bill in her theory about the culprit.[20] In this scene he's called a new master of the servants [21] Even more than that he thinks like a king using Hideyoshi's stories from the Sengoku era and Eva's monarch like attitude to create his own philosophy on life.[22] At the same time he's shown to be possessive of Shannon [23][32]. As noted by Oliver the metaphor used in reference to George's wedding ring that it's meant to say “this woman is mine” is very similar to the description to Erika's specially made ring for Battler in game 6 [24]. It's also emphasized in that same episode that George has no interest in becoming the family head [25]. So I can rule that out as a motive, honestly though I don't think it would've made sense as a motive for murder in the long run anyway. He wants to create his own business empire, and his own family [26] with the way he talks I don't think he has any attachments to this family right now I don't think he'd have a huge problem getting rid of them, but I don't know about what Shannon would think. It's said that he's well on his way in the business world, he's very prepared and I've suggested it's possible he had someone he knew like Okonogi [27] to pull some strings and fill the safety deposit boxes with illegal/yakuza money. Like Genji, maybe Okonogi owes him some kind of debt or maybe George promised him financial backing in the future. It could explain the 'world peace' thing in the game 6 tea party. Furthermore George was prepared enough to know that the Typhoon was coming and change his schedule, and this level of preparedness is necessary to set up a serial murder scheme like this [28] not only that I'd say it suggests he has some sort of big business responsibilities since he's prepared to go back on monday. The TIPS describe him as “an Affable young man who is loved by everyone in the family”[29]. It'd be totally unexpected for a “nice guy” like him to be a mass murderer. Third he has tons of motive. Spoiler for space: He's been jealous of Battler since he was young. He revealed in Episode 6 that he hated women before he found love through Shannon. And Battler left him alone with 3 women for 6 years. He could be completely bitter towards him because of that. [30] We're made to beleive he's bitter in episode 7. Since he he's shown to have knowledge of Battler and Shannon's meeting in Ep6, and that he hate Shannon for a little while. The "leaving the nest" and "coming out of his shell" metaphors sounded like veiled attempts at breaking Shannon/Yasu's hopes. How he mentions it being perfect that Battler not come back and his letter saying that exact same thing is also included. As shown above he has certain occult beliefs or at least a basic understanding of them that's enough to manipulate certain people and has a certain ability to direct groups. He seems to like to protect Maria in certain instances If Battler's sin was against Shannon, Jessica, or Maria I could imagine that being carried over to George and if they forgot as well. I also take this conversation about self satisfaction between Ange in Amakusa in game 4 as a hint for George and Shannon as it seems to connect to George's goal of him and Shannon being accepted [31] The conversation is here. I also think it has relevance to Battler's sin since it seems to mirror Beatrice's goal of being acknowledged in a round about way, but instead as a person and not a witch. So these are my 31 pieces of evidence suggesting the George is the culprit NEW EVIDENCE APPEARS. According to a reliable, source, GEORGE STEALS CANDY FROM KIDS! [32] __________________ Judoh's George Culprit Analysis George steals candy from kids! Archive of Ryukishi interviews Gold truth theories:" Last edited by Judoh; 2012-06-15 at 09:52.