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Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Uh, that's. What.
That's really dumb and kind of insane, I'm sorry. Gratuitous violence is automatically juvenile? That's entirely dependent on presentation, it has nothing to do with the violence itself.

Yes, by definition gratuitous means it's there for no reason or justification. Violence for no reason is insane. Note I'm not saying I think juvenile is bad, heck I said Chihaya's route was one of my favorites. I may very well enjoy gratuitous violence more than anyone in this thread, but when it becomes so obvious violence is there just for kicks and a violent scene only has whatever aura the writer could muster of enriching the plot, then it is "much more" gratuitous. And yes, I would argue that watching or reading violent acts that are done without meaning and deriving pleasure from it is something that's more associated with younger people or immaturity.

Spoiler for What routes I thought had gratuitous violence:

By far the worst offender was Lucia's route, I wrote 50 pages back or so how I thought that fight scene with Shizuru did nothing but re-hash feellings felt from the end of the date scene, I thought that it felt like it was thrown in there just because Ryukishi07 had some criteria VisualArts put on him that his route needed to have an action scene! Akane's route felt guilty of it to, but I'm going to re-read the route. Both Akane and Terra's routes had action scenes that felt like they took forever, maybe I'm wrong but surely you don't need so much violence that you bore some readers, that seems gratuitous too.

I'm still trying to pinpoint what feelings you guys had who enjoyed Akane and Terra routes. I understand you guys felt it was meaningful and that you liked the characters, but it sounds as if not a whole lot of emotion was involved, only that you guys were curious and enjoyed the way the plot was going?

Gratuitous violence is insane, but what makes violence gratuitous is up to the reader and how they interpret the material. As much as I like Rewrite now, I don't think I can deny that it had a lot of gratuitous violence.

TLDR: Juveniles tend to like gratuitous things, yes.