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Originally Posted by Benkai_Debussy
Ma-rion, to be honest you're kind of crossing over into schizophrenia logic (in the sense that you're assuming literally everything must have some deeper meaning and coming up with a bunch of bizarre connections between things that don't make much sense).
Umineko is a story that is told in a unique way, but fundamentally it is not a very complex story. It is just the story of Sayo Yasuda and the Ushiromiya family by proxy. The core of the story (the "without love it cannot be seen" stuff) is related to the fact that the story won't make sense unless you try to empathize with the characters.
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Hello Benkai_Debussy,
I assure you, I'm not schizophrenic (yet) :S. This is of course my personal perspective, when I say the following, I don't want to force my solution on anyone!!: you' re wrong. This is not a story about Sayo, and "without love it cannot be seen" doesn't only translate to emphasizing with someone.
And it IS complex, since Umineko is, at its core, a logic puzzle. For example: there is a riddle about liars, that starts right at the beginning of Episode 1, there is a riddle about "coins", one is about the wolf and the sheep. And there is a story about a "duel".
The "without love it cannot be seen" is MUCH MORE direct, and far less "ekkjgdjsdfekjrglgdnkdjn" than what you make it out to be. It simply means this:
Spoiler:
Throughout the story, we look at the family through the eyes of different characters (->"portraits"). Every character has his or her own "truth", which is why we have different stories to begin with. The last story is for example seen together with "Eva-Beatrice".
The single element of the world is LOVE. If, let's say, we look through Eva's eyes and Eva had no love for Krauss, then Krauss couldn't be seen. If we looked through Kyrie's eyes and Kyrie had no love for, let's say, Battler, then Battler couldn't be seen etc. There is always a person present in Umineko who cannot be seen and who has no body. There are certain riddles where you have to figure out whose perspective that is and who is missing. Often those scenes are accompanied by sentences like "We all had gathered in the room." "Everyone had already come back.", "All the relatives are here." etc.
If you make those perspectives converge, you find the truth behind Beato's games. There IS a "real truth", but this one can only be seen if you look at it with "one eye denying and one eye believing". That means: you need a character who has love and you need a character who has no love. At that moment, two worlds will overlap (remember George's riddle in Episode 8, where there are three "George's": a beautiful picture of him, an ugly one and the normal person himself).
Featherine Episode 6 to Ange: "It is with you, that I can see the truth for the first time. Please, let what you see overlap with what I see." Or to Bern:"I want to check answers." Simply put: Featherine has love (said several times), Ange has not. Thus Featherine can see the truth together with Ange if Ange looks at the "picture book" and tells her what she sees ("reads the story to her out loud"). And here the same applies: Episode 6/7: Featherine has love, Bern plays for her the role of the character who has no love. Thus Featherine can "check answers" together with Bern.
Sadly though, you as the reader, are not shown the story from Featherine's perspective but from Ange's or Bern's (which is important). This means, you solved nothing and only swallowed what Bern prepared to "confuse those who still haven't understood Beato's real form." The "red truth" only affects one world: the one without love. Yasu's story has therefore half of the truth cut away (though I'd say it's even more).
And then there's the whole Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle-thing going on, the TV show from which Maria took the name "Sakura".
If we think that the story is mystery, with Sayo being a schizophrenic culprit who murdered everyone because of her body, then we've been fooled by Beato. On purpose.
(If you want to, I can send a link with some explanations, but if you want to only stick to Yasu's story, that's also fine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)