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Anyways, for these discussions, it is important to realise a few things. First, everything can be described by a series of individual actions: the State, the Nation, the whatever collective or collective interaction are all composed of individual actions, and these collective terms are either used for simplification or generalization, and oftentimes erroneously so. In any case, there is apparently already developed system of "morality for collective entities," but the basis of this is unclear, and cannot ever be justified based on the collective language without also being justified in the individual language. The true nature of action is always in the unit of the individual, and collective morality should also reflect that. Any collective system that contradicts with the individual system, that is, when examined under the language of the individual, there is a different ethical judgment, the individual system will always be superior. (the collective system exhibits deviations, rather than the other way around, since it does not exist in and of itself).
WIth this in mind, it is easy to resolve several paradigms. First, the state. What is the state. It is a series of actions, some coercive. The state does not refer to the people "in" the state, nor does it refer to anything that physically exist. It is merely a phenomenon. To destroy the state, simply stop the people whose actions compose the state from behaving that way. Tehre is no need to give physical form to the state and transfer hatred to it, nor is it accurate to describe people who live in a certain state as a part of that state. The rather fundamental mistakes of terrorism and other collective-hatred can be resolved in this way.
In essence, it is not a "us against them" world, it is a world made up of individuals who act in certain ways. Us and them do not exist.
An interesting word used in this thread, will something "work". What does that mean, why is it relevant. Perhaps you guys should discuss these basic conditions first, no.
usually animes like this will give you some divergent mentalities, each formed with their own confused understanding of things, and then perhaps give some obvious insights without taking the discussion to a relevant level, that is to say, an anarchistic level, tehehe.
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