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For the romance thread:

My thoughts on the new stuff coming from the poem.

Spoiler for Thoughts:

I remember awhile ago arguing with people about whether Kallen was a main character. Now 80% of the discussion around here for better or for worse is about her development.

So what's on the table tonight. Just my random thoughts on the subject. So allow me to impose my opinion on you and make you believe in Kalulu and Zeus.

1) Kallen only thinks Lelouch is in love with her.

Possible. Though seems a bit cruel for the creators to go out of their way to make a character BELIEVE someone loved her even though he didn't. To have her happy ending implying that she's borderline delusional.

Let's see Kallen was ready to walk away from Lelouch at least twice. So we can assume she doesn't need Lelouch's love to get on with her life. In fact it would make things less complicated to have had Kallen stay on a comrade level or even hate Lelouch than to keep reinforcing her love to the point where she believes he loves her back.

What's the point of Kallen believing Lelouch loved her when he didn't.What's the endgame for Kallen believing. How does this complete her character?


A) She needs to believe so she can live on.

How so? When she was ready to kill him. Where she had resolved herself to her fate as his enemy and offered her goodbye. When she ended up choosing her brother's ideals and her beliefs over him. She put her mindset at the point where she battled like a demon just to get the chance to kill him herself.

From what we know Kallen had no intention to dive into the ocean after she killed Lelouch. She was willing to die with him or to help him. She wasn't going to kill herself because of him. There's a big difference.


B) She needs to believe so she can be happy?

Possibly yet highly unlikely. You think she's at the peak of happiness now, with the guy she loved being dead? Always wondering what might have been? Looking at that picture asking herself if she could have done more? Yeah she's living high on the hog.

It makes no sense to take that route. In fact having Kallen not love Lelouch and see him as a comrade who gave the ultimate sacrifice life for the cause makes much more sense than saying Kallen thinks Lelouch loves her so now she is happy.

I'm sorry I don't understand why the writers would do the former. You can argue they made it harder on Kallen for her to believe he loved her.

I find it hard to believe her believing he loved her "eases" her pain.


C) Kallen's isn't that insightful?

Possible. But then again in EP 25 we have her realizing everything about ZR just by seeing Suzaku. (Bad writing maybe but its canon)

What we see is that Kallen is very much capable of putting the pieces together when they are available to her. Kallen's problem is that she puts the pieces together much to late.


Kallen's not even "oh Lelouch loved me." She's on a Shakespearean level with her angst. Why the detail for this? We know Kallen's in love with Lelouch. Why do we get "She understood his feelings." Why do we get a poem describing Kallen's insightful analysis of what may have been Lelouch's feelings? This does not add to any ambiguity.

Why sunrise why?

Lelouch never expressed any romantic interest in Kallen?

Let's theorize: Let's throw stuff out there. Let's have a little fun with it.

From Kallen's point of view he did very much so.

Refresh my memory (please if I'm wrong I'll say it) Didn't Shirley did die wishing she had captured Lelouch's heart? Didn't at one point she told Lelouch not to lie to her about his romantic intentions? Didn't 100% of time she wondering what Lelouch's feelings for her were?

We might be able to conclude two things from this.

a) The characters are liars

b) The creators made Kallen delusional or Shirley has no insight into the one she loved whatsoever.

Yesterday: No girl got Lelouch's interest in the end.

Today: But Shirlulu had the upper hand!

P.S While I am a firm believer that since Lelouch is dead, There can't ultimately be a true pairing. I'm now 80% sure Kallen will not feel the need to be involved with anyone else. It's just not in her character.