[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Ssol

When they were solving the epitaph they figured out that instead of literally "killing" the sacrifices chosen by the key it meant to eliminate certain characters.

Lol i was talking about the red truths not the epitaph, that's a completely different matter

@Dlanor

Spoiler for ep5:

If I understand correctly Erika was indeed tampering with some mechanism. It is probably the purpose of the 10 twilights or a part of them, but I don't think it's relevant to the solution of the epitaph. Let me explain

If every part of the reasoning Erika and Battler made is correct then you have this situation:

1) The initial sentence is made of 11 or 13 characters, depending on the meaning of "tear apart" on the second twilight
2) At the first twilight you kill 6 characters
3) at the second twilight you kill or separate (put space between?) the two characters that are left close after the previous elimination
4) at the third twilight you reorder the remaining characters to form the "honorable name" (kinzo?)
5) from fourth to eight you kill the remaining 5 characters
6) at the nine twilight you are left with zero characters

This was one of the many things I've thought during my various thinking about the epitaph but ultimately I discorded it. Why?

First off what's the point in going to all the trouble to find the key only to reach to a "name" on the third twilight that you already know?

Second what's point of all this if in the end you are left without any character?

It is indeed incredible that Battler and Erika thinks that it is definitely the right way, because without a higher knowledge it is impossible to determine this is the best way of thinking. Proof is I have thought all that and discarded...

But if this whole thing is meant to be a step by step instruction to work on a mechanism, maybe something with a combination of letters, then it might make sense.

So in that case what's important is not what you get in the end (zero) but the whole process. Too bad that if that's the case we as reader can get at max to 9th twilight on the solution, and maybe not even there.

Anyway even if the mechanism is true, you can still try to get what kind of operations you need to do to reach that zero, and all the information should be available even if you don't have that mechanism in front of your eyes.

The problem is that no matter how much i've tried to find the initial sentence, I can't get something that fits with the reasoning described in the game.

You see both Battler and Erika agrees that it must be english. Is Ryukishi trolling us that much?

But the name must be 5 letters according to their reasoning, so I really can't see what else could that be beside "Kinzo". Other options are "右代宮金蔵" and　"うしろみや". But I find very improbable that it's in Kanji. Don't say Beatrice! It's NOT Beatrice the subject of this epitaph, okay?

The problem with kinzo is... "z" isn't very common in english words. and there isn't any single word that includes both z and k (unless you consider foreign words integrated in english).

Battler suggests there is a pun in the way the twilights are worded. Daiichinoban ni In other words, remove 6 characters from "daiichinoban". But Battler says it's probably english so he translates it as "1st night". But that's wrong, it doesn't even reach the 11 characters unless you say "the first night", then that work, but "first twilight" has also the same amount of letters. However if you think carefully both of them are "dame da, zenzen dame da ze!"

Why? Because you are supposed to get at least two words from them, the key and the name. Now count the vowels: that's three in total in both cases. You get it? There isn't any english word that is 6 letters long and only has a single vowel. And there isn't any name that is 5 letter long and has a single vowel. So both of them are wrong.

Another way could be The chapel writings. so in this case our initial sentence could be "quadrillion" (11 letters) or quadrillionth (13 letters). But what kind of name can you get from it? Certainly not Kinzo...