Personally, I think we're framing this debate too mechanistically here. The fundamental thing here is the right to kill another. How can we so easily give such a thing away? How can anyone under any circumstance have the right to kill a human being? A gun's purpose is to kill, that is why it is created. How can we legalize the keeping of the tool, but make the use of it illegal? Doing such a thing is absurd. If we legalise the keeping of the gun, we must give people the right to kill other human beings. I think that such a thing is too awful to think about. No one should have the right to kill another. Maybe you guys think that we do have that right. I'm an atheist, but the only hypothetical entity that I can think of that has the right to give and take life is God himself. There are some things which are His prerogative alone. No man the purity of thought and wisdom to judge to be given such power.
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Originally Posted by Lost Cause
^ And what would you say to the peope dying in Syria, fighting for freedom and killing there own to destroy a monster? Is what they're doing wrong? According to this it is!
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That is neither here nor there. We are talking about how a lawful and free society should be assembled. Syria is a case where there is no freedom, and law has completely collapsed.
Do we live in Syria? Why should we formulate our laws based on the circumstances of a war zone?
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Originally Posted by Ithekro
Humans have always had the right to defend themselves with leathal force. Otherwise there would be no humans (predetory animals would have wiped us out long ago if we couldn't kill them with our tools).
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I have no beef with killing animals (I love me some beef burgers). But our civilizations only came into existence when we finally sat down and decided that we
can't kill other people whenever we like. That killing another human being is
sinful. Our entire system of ethics is based on the idea that killing another
human as being the
ultimate sin.
So if you're in danger of being killed by your natural environment, sure do whatever you like. But in affairs of humanity, there is no justification for the intentional taking of human life. Our society is sophisticated enough today that we have many means for self defence that does not require it. Being that killing is the ultimate wrong, then our society should ban any instruments whose sole use and purpose is to kill. We should ban guns.
If you can claim another reason to keep a gun, say you need to defend against bears, sure you can have your rifle. But any other use solely entails the eventual killing of human beings. No man should be given the right to kill another human being unless he is solely directed to do so by the law. No man should have the power to take the life of another. To do so is Hubris.
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Aww, there, there Legem, I know you lost the argument and so do you.  |
Did he?