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NeoSam
2005-08-19, 09:09
These are the SHUFFLE! manga for now

SHUFFLE! -DAYS IN THE BLOOM- volumes 1+2+3 (Official manga)

http://img287.echo.cx/img287/7946/12shuffle119ry.jpg http://img287.echo.cx/img287/3079/22shuffle212zs.jpg http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3...zzzzzzz9va.jpg

SHUFFLE! コミックアラカルト volumes 1+2+3+4

http://img287.echo.cx/img287/2474/13shuffleala110ee.jpg http://img287.echo.cx/img287/8494/20040800005017gw.jpg http://img287.echo.cx/img287/1427/20040800005111am.jpg http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/8...zzzzzzz4ak.jpg

SHUFFLE! -DAYS IN THE BLOOM- is the official manga.

This site (http://www.comptiq.com/event/shuffle_ch/index.html) is for character figurines and other info about SHUFFLE!

BTW, there is no scanlation of SHUFFLE! manga yet (to my knowledge).

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evil-samurai
2005-08-19, 09:31
I've read... some of the first Volume, Its follow's the anime, in Parts I noticed But still has moments Which are no where to be seen.

Overall the Art in the Manga is Quite different than form the anime, But Still all the Characters are Drawn Basicly the same + the detail is good, Just dont Expect the Art to be up to the Standards as Say the Kenshin Manga.

Hopefull Someone might Translate it but only time will tell

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Kawaii Denka
2005-08-19, 09:39
I quite like the manga since I don't have to bear with the craptacular special-ops teams. It also has some differences from the anime which I prefered. (although its probably due to the fact that the anime and manga choose to order the events of the story differently).

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Angelsama
2005-08-19, 18:49
I quite like the manga since I don't have to bear with the craptacular special-ops teams.
Thats the main reason why i've started to love the manga~! ^^
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Kuro
2005-08-19, 22:18
Where can I purchase the manga?
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MakotoFatora
2005-08-22, 08:40
Where can I purchase the manga?

Animaxis.com (http://www.animaxis.com/en/shop/prod...ku=128301%2D00) has the first volume listed, but is currently out of stock. I don't know where you are exactly, but their shipping to the US is also pretty expensive, so if you have some other stuff you wanted to get, best to do it to make it worthwhile.

I checked sasugabooks.com and they don't seem to have it listed there yet, though a friend of mine who went to the Sasuga Bookstore in Boston this weekend thought she saw it there. hopefully I can get a weekend to go into Boston and look myself.
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Xellos-_^
2005-08-22, 15:10
I got the first 2 vol of shuffle raw. The scan is okay, not great but readable. If anyone wants to give it try transalting it. I will be happy to sent to that person.
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Sionthus
2005-08-22, 15:23
*raises hand* Can i get it just for the pictures? O_o
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scsa20
2005-08-23, 14:40
I must get the pillows and yet I can't seem to find where I could buy them (can someone give me a direct link, or, better yet, if someone could buy them for me and I'll pay you whatever you pay plus shipping plus 40 bucks more for the trouble?)
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Morisato
2005-08-24, 00:01
SHUFFLE! manga links anyone?
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RunningTARGET
2005-08-24, 21:23
I must get the pillows and yet I can't seem to find where I could buy them (can someone give me a direct link, or, better yet, if someone could buy them for me and I'll pay you whatever you pay plus shipping plus 40 bucks more for the trouble?)

I must say, people have become obsessed havent they. Seriously poeple they're just fictional characters.

Now where did i put that spare cash...

SHUFFLE! manga links anyone?

Vols 1-3 RAW have been upped before on verious sites, thought its been a while so the torrents are most likely dead.

Though some one is bound to translate it soon enough.
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Kazekun
2005-08-25, 20:22
Kazenokoefansubs has just released Manga Chapter 1, Please read the readme.txt and see if you can help us out ^^.

*For torrents and direct download info goto "Kazenokoe.com" and look at the news update* <--To lazy to go get the links and copy them in here.
evil-samurai
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2005-08-25, 20:26
Whats this?? the Manga is being Translated by by " Kazenokoefansubs"

they Just released the first Chapter of volume 1

Torrent: Shuffle!_v01_c001[KnKF] (http://kazenokoefansubs.fansub-torre...nKF%5D.torrent)

Side note: Well I think the manga theard might need a different theard than merchandise(figurines, artbooks, OSTs, ...). since its translated and we can talk about it more.

EDIT:

didn't see the post above
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Angelsama
2005-08-25, 20:43
Kazenokoefansubs has just released Manga Chapter 1
Thanking you, you've just made me a happy bunny on my birthday. =D
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Kazekun
2005-08-25, 20:46
Thanking you, you've just made me a happy bunny on my birthday. =D

Oh a very happy birthday to you then ^^. How old are you?

Edit: Just noticed the thing labeled "Age: 18" so I assume your 19 now.... Isn't english fun? >.>;;
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Angelsama
2005-08-25, 20:51
Oh a very happy birthday to you then ^^. How old are you?
just turned 19 today - and nothing beats being able to read the Shuffle manga on their birthday. ^^

Edit: Just noticed the thing labeled "Age: 18" so I assume your 19 now.... Isn't english fun? >.>;;

Hehe, its an easy mistake. ^^;;
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NeoSam
2005-08-25, 20:56
Angelsama, Happy Birthday

Kazenokoefansubs has just released Manga Chapter 1, Please read the readme.txt and see if you can help us out ^^.

*For torrents and direct download info goto "Kazenokoe.com" and look at the news update* <--To lazy to go get the links and copy them in here.

Thanks a lot

Side note: Well I think the manga theard might need a different theard than merchandise(figurines, artbooks, OSTs, ...). since its translated and we can talk about it more.

Maybe the merchandise posts should be removed and put into their own thread.
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RunningTARGET
2005-08-25, 21:02
Kazenokoefansubs has just released Manga Chapter 1, Please read the readme.txt and see if you can help us out ^^.

*For torrents and direct download info goto "Kazenokoe.com" and look at the news update* <--To lazy to go get the links and copy them in here.

Typical of this post coming after mine. hehe.

Now I can read what they're saying.

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Kazekun
2005-08-25, 21:05
Typical of this post coming after mine. hehe.

Now I can read what they're saying.

Hmm well we've been working on it for awhile actually we just wanted to make it perfect and with our editors and translator busy it's been sort of a bitch.. Which is why we're hoping a few people will read the readme.txt and give us an email or something.
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NeoSam
2005-08-25, 21:19
KazeKun please check this: http://www.manganews.net/seriesinfo.php?id=3023

If there is some info you want me to add, just say so

your group has been added and the info about website and IRC channel is there too.

Again thanks for working on this manga.
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Kazekun
2005-08-25, 21:32
KazeKun please check this: http://www.manganews.net/seriesinfo.php?id=3023

If there is some info you want me to add, just say so

your group has been added and the info about website and IRC channel is there too.

Again thanks for working on this manga.

Wow thanks man, I appreciate it ^^.. Manga is a pretty new field for us so I wasnt' sure if there were manga sites. Looks good.

And also np ^^ we take cookies and translators though >.> preferably cookies but if he's a good guy will take the translator first....then the cookie...
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Roots
2005-08-25, 21:43
Umm, I don't mean to be an ass or anything but I had several problems with the first manga chapter scanslated by KazeNoKoeFansubs. Allow me to point them out:

1) For the love of god lose the weird arcing text. Sure it might look cool, but its a bitch to read. I had to turn my head several times just to read the damn things, and it was incredibly annoying.

2) Don't just cover up the Japanese text with English. That's the mark of someone who either cares only about speed and not quality, or someone who just doesn't understand how to edit manga well. It looks cheap.

3) The sfx. Leaving them in romanized Japanese is fine, but you might want to put translator's notes for the "less intuitive" sounds. I'm sure many people don't understand what "PISHAAAN" means (shutting door). And you know you can always put in the English equivalents where approrpiate, like "DON DON" = "BAM BAM", etc. I usually mix both English and romanzied Japanes sfx when I translate.

4) Proof your work. One line that annoyed me was "Well I have no interest in going along with your interests...". It just sounds like poor English. Maybe they used the same word for 'interest' in the raws, I don't know. But this brings me to my 5th point...

5) Don't translate literally! The Japanese language's semantical structure is radically different than English, and often times its just better to completely re-phrase a sentence so it sounds more natural than trying to stay true to the Japanese text.

6) When you introduce name styles like "Ma-bou" and "Shin-chan", you might want to actually explain the name suffixes and shortcuts in that case. Of course I know 魔王 (Maou) = demon king and so Ma-bou would be a "cute" way of saying that, but I bet 95% of your audience wouldn't know that.

7) Manga scanslation definitely isn't easy (as I'm sure you all at KnKF figured out now). But you should know your places. Its a whole different ballpark from Fansubs and just because you're competent in one doesn't mean you'll be competent in the other. If you continue to do this manga, I suggest you find a team with experience in scanslating a manga so you can release great manga chapters of Shuffle along with great fansubs.

And with time and practice, I'm sure your skills in manga scanslation will improve, but until they do I recommend you find some "senpais" to show you the ropes.

I hope you didn't take my comments the wrong way and that what I stated above is useful to you guys. Good luck.
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Kazekun
2005-08-25, 21:55
Umm, I don't mean to be an ass or anything but I had several problems with the first manga chapter scanslated by KazeNoKoeFansubs. Allow me to point them out:

1) For the love of god lose the weird arcing text. Sure it might look cool, but its a bitch to read. I had to turn my head several times just to read the damn things, and it was incredibly annoying.

2) Don't just cover up the Japanese text with English. That's the mark of someone who either cares only about speed and not quality, or someone who just doesn't understand how to edit manga well. It looks cheap.

3) The sfx. Leaving them in romanized Japanese is fine, but you might want to put translator's notes for the "less intuitive" sounds. I'm sure many people don't understand what "PISHAAAN" means (shutting door). And you know you can always put in the English equivalents where approrpiate, like "DON DON" = "BAM BAM", etc. I usually mix both English and romanzied Japanes sfx when I translate.

4) Proof your work. One line that annoyed me was "Well I have no interest in going along with your interests...". It just sounds like poor English. Maybe they used the same word for 'interest' in the raws, I don't know. But this brings me to my 5th point...

5) Don't translate literally! The Japanese language's semantical structure is radically different than English, and often times its just better to completely re-phrase a sentence so it sounds more natural than trying to stay true to the Japanese text.

6) When you introduce name styles like "Ma-bou" and "Shin-chan", you might want to actually explain the name suffixes and shortcuts in that case. Of course I know 魔王 (Maou) = demon king and so Ma-bou would be a "cute" way of saying that, but I bet 95% of your audience wouldn't know that.

7) Manga scanslation definitely isn't easy (as I'm sure you all at KnKF figured out now). But you should know your places. Its a whole different ballpark from Fansubs and just because you're competent in one doesn't mean you'll be competent in the other. If you continue to do this manga, I suggest you find a team with experience in scanslating a manga so you can release great manga chapters of Shuffle along with great fansubs.

And with time and practice, I'm sure your skills in manga scanslation will improve, but until they do I recommend you find some "senpais" to show you the ropes.

I hope you didn't take my comments the wrong way and that what I stated above is useful to you guys. Good luck.

Then don't read it.. let's see... Okay we didn't erase sfx like some groups... We didn't translate them as yeah we honestly don't know them.... um text... that was our editors choice and i'll be sure to make it different for you next time.... Um sorry that "Fansubbing" is so different from "Manga Scanlating" but I don't think it really matters when half your audience is just going to say eh well their's came out first so I got it.. Or if they're not like that they'll probaly sell you out when a better known group releases and... What else.... Want to complain, then I highly recommend you read the original japanese raw manga or help us.. Either that or please don't be as rude.. There were several ways you could of informed us of our "errors", but this was probaly the rudest way....

Thanks again.

-KazeKun

Edit: 7) Manga scanslation definitely isn't easy (as I'm sure you all at KnKF figured out now). But you should know your places. Its a whole different ballpark from Fansubs and just because you're competent in one doesn't mean you'll be competent in the other

Yeah, Sorry that just screams insult...
And I don't think we're just so great we can do "Manga Scanlating" but when most other groups still white out the text or translate from chinese... I don't think we're exactly in the wrong for trying to supply the public with a free service.
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Roots
2005-08-25, 23:53
*sigh* I knew that you would take it the wrong way.

Look, I was just trying to point out what I felt were mistakes in the first chapter you released so you could hopefully improve upon them next time. If by "better means of communicating it to us" you mean speaking with you privately instead of posting it in a public place, well yeah I could have done that, but I've found that submitting private critiques of others work has much less of a chance of getting them to do something about it than a public statement. I would be glad to help out if I wasn't so damn busy these days because I enjoy Shuffle and I think I would enjoy the manga as well.

I don't think it really matters when half your audience is just going to say eh well their's came out first so I got it.

I'm probably adding fuel to the fire by responding to this, but I disagree. Sure, your first time you're going to have a few goof-ups because you are inexperienced (I admit that I made mistakes when I started out too), but I don't feel that "excuses" you from making misteakes. You just need to admit them and learn from them. That's the important attitude to have IMO, and not to just shrug it off as "well it was our first time so its okay".

Yeah, Sorry that just screams insult...
And I don't think we're just so great we can do "Manga Scanlating" but when most other groups still white out the text or translate from chinese... I don't think we're exactly in the wrong for trying to supply the public with a free service.

You're absolutely right here, I admit it. It was rude and I was very presumptious of me as to the reason you chose scanslated the manga (I thought you were just trying to provide leverage to get more people to watch your subs). I apologize for that.

Of course it is a free service and I as well as others appreciate it. But just because something is free doesn't mean the quality has to be poor. I use and write free software everyday of my life and I feel in many cases that it is much better than proprietary products (and I think free manga should be the same way).

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Kazekun
2005-08-26, 00:11
*sigh* I knew that you would take it the wrong way.

Look, I was just trying to point out what I felt were mistakes in the first chapter you released so you could hopefully improve upon them next time. If by "better means of communicating it to us" you mean speaking with you privately instead of posting it in a public place, well yeah I could have done that, but I've found that submitting private critiques of others work has much less of a chance of getting them to do something about it than a public statement. I would be glad to help out if I wasn't so damn busy these days because I enjoy Shuffle and I think I would enjoy the manga as well.

I'm probably adding fuel to the fire by responding to this, but I disagree. Sure, your first time you're going to have a few goof-ups because you are inexperienced (I admit that I made mistakes when I started out too), but I don't feel that "excuses" you from making misteakes. You just need to admit them and learn from them. That's the important attitude to have IMO, and not to just shrug it off as "well it was our first time so its okay".

You're absolutely right here, I admit it. It was rude and I was very presumptious of me as to the reason you chose scanslated the manga (I thought you were just trying to provide leverage to get more people to watch your subs). I apologize for that.

Of course it is a free service and I as well as others appreciate it. But just because something is free doesn't mean the quality has to be poor. I use and write free software everyday of my life and I feel in many cases that it is much better than proprietary products (and I think free manga should be the same way).

Well I first want to say, I do understand you were trying to help... But when you say things like "But you should know your places." that's like calling us lower then dogs, not good enough because we chose one profession before we started another.

And i'm not a lazy anime founder who thinks, well it was my first time so we'll do better later. No, I'm nowhere near that. I learned just about every job and examined many fansubs to continue improving my group's overall quality. I have put many hours into it just to make it what it is today, and I admit that's not something anime-kingdom or aone would be proud of.. But we're not exactly looking for a huge community of 10yr olds who run their mouths.... I do realize that most people would probaly have shrugged off a pm.. But I really would have preferred you had done it that way as I would have welcomed it alot more... You know maybe next time if the person doesn't improve or reply you could then insult them to the public...

But I understand some founders and groups you have to be stern and insult them to get a point across but KnKF... Will never be that group..

We'll try to make your changes next time... and also if you know someone who has japanese knowledge or atleast sound effect knowledge pass em our way.. We would love to do a better job next time.

-KazeKun
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Roots
2005-08-26, 00:17
This is what I usually refer to for Japanese onomatopoeia:

http://www.oop-ack.com/manga/soundfx.html

It doesn't have everything you'll find (since a lot of mangaka's "invent" their own sfx in their mangas), but it has a good heap of stuff. I'm still searching for a more complete list myself.
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evil-samurai
2005-08-26, 04:01
just turned 19 today - and nothing beats being able to read the Shuffle manga on their birthday. ^^

Happy Birthday

About the manga, Chapter 1 was ok, they were missing one really important Character.

One thing theat Nice about the Manga is some of the colour Work, I thought the Double colur Page looked Fantastic. Well Cant wait to read more of the Manga

Thx Kazekun for work on Shuffle
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Marvel
2005-08-26, 15:39
Does someone know if SHUFFLE! has a chance to get licenced since its populairity ?
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scsa20
2005-08-26, 15:45
For the anime: 40% chance.
For the manga: 30% chance
For the game: 0.02% chance

then again, this is just my figures from what I've obseved from the past... not all populair anime/manga that's out in japan and what not get licenses because of this and that. I'm still kind of surpressed that Kodacha was licensed by FA, although, because of there contract, they had to cut some stuff out (like... some dialog on the japanese track >_> )

Anyways... for the manga, they have to jump through the same hoops that anime licnesers has to go through, and not all populair manga get's license.

For h-games, on the other hand, if the game is "too populair." To quote from the head guy who license the h-games for US releases:

There's an inverse effect with Japanese games
though -- sometimes games are "too popular" for their own good. Air,
Kanon, To Heart, sold 30,000 or more copies at $88 here in Japan
(Tokimeki Memorial sold 100,000), which makes the pittance we can
offer Japanese companies to license their games look pretty bad...

later on in the convo:

Yes, but then there are two problems. One, when something loses
popularity, it loses popularity, no matter what it was to start with.
Also, in the case of the Elf games that were so popular once, their
lack of availability through legal channels caused them to be pirated
left and right. I for one wouldn't be willing to take a chance
licensing a game that million of people had already gotten for free
once.

I am not trying to shoot down your ideas of course, just presenting
an unfortunate catch-22 we're faced with ^_^

(btw... I asked him what if the popularity dies down a bit, if it would possible then, that's the guy's reply).
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Valdra
2005-08-26, 15:47
Does someone know if SHUFFLE! has a chance to get licenced since its populairity ?

I somewhat doubt it

At least not for a while... I mean, in terms of erogame conversions KGNE seems to have caused a fair commotion in the community but no company seems to have looked twice at that, Shuffle's much less popular outside of these forums. Nope, you won't be putting Shuffle! DVDs on your shelf for a looong time.
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Xellos-_^
2005-08-26, 16:49
I somewhat doubt it

At least not for a while... I mean, in terms of erogame conversions KGNE seems to have caused a fair commotion in the community but no company seems to have looked twice at that, Shuffle's much less popular outside of these forums. Nope, you won't be putting Shuffle! DVDs on your shelf for a looong time.

If someone can get me the script for Shuffle fansubs I might be able get my hand on the R2 dvd iso. Got a friend who teaching english in japan

Too bad for him, his gf is with him so he can't experience the full range of japanese culture. Back to topic, if someone can get me the fansub scripts, I got a good chance of being able to make some Shuffle Fansub DVDr.
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Valdra
2005-08-26, 17:01
If someone can get me the script for Shuffle fansubs I might be able get my hand on the R2 dvd iso. Got a friend who teaching english in japan

I meant as in officially released ones. Was making dvds of Seed Destiny until I just decided watching them on the PC was easier.
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rajhaziel
2005-08-26, 22:34
The iso will be of easy access when they do get released.
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Encoder
2005-08-27, 02:54
So I've always wondered, how do scanlators edit out the text thats written on the picture itself? I.E. not written in the talking bubble but written ontop of a pic.
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scsa20
2005-08-27, 03:09
Got to LOOOOOOVVVVVEEEE that clone tool *wink, wink*

btw... I'm just guessing here ^^;;
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Roots
2005-08-27, 03:56
Yeah, I'm pretty sure our editors use the clone tool. At least I remember hearing them worship it often.

One (newbie) editor I remember edited the entire text out and drew over it by hand.

That's some...err...dedication I guess?
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relentlessflame
2005-08-27, 05:48
Yeah, definitely the clone stamp tool. Sometimes, you do have to do a bit of re-drawing too - for example, to join strands of hair that were covered by words, to fill the gap of two-page spreads, etc. You can quite easily spend many many hours cleaning up a single page, or spread (and some manga are more "evil" than others in that way).

Anyway, I've heard some good things about the Shuffle manga, so I'm looking forward to reading more.
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Cloudnine
2005-08-27, 13:59
Yeah, definitely the clone stamp tool. Sometimes, you do have to do a bit of re-drawing too - for example, to join strands of hair that were covered by words, to fill the gap of two-page spreads, etc. You can quite easily spend many many hours cleaning up a single page, or spread (and some manga are more "evil" than others in that way).
Aside from the clone tool, the smudge tool the pen tool is my favorite for cleaning and redrawing b&w scans ^^

Hair is a pain to redraw, but using a pen tool/stroke can do wonders

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Myname
2005-08-28, 21:29
Which one is the clone tool in photoshop?
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scsa20
2005-08-28, 22:26
the one that looks like a stamp

(a faster way is just press the S key on your keyboard

)

to use it under Windows, press the Alt key (I guess it'll be the Apple key under Macs but I'm not sure since I wouldn't touch a mac with a 10 feet pole) and select the area that you want to copy (normally around the area where you're going to fix) and then let go of Alt and click on the spot you want to touch up. This well keep the same distace of where you want to clone and what you want to clone, the Crosshairs well show you what your cloneing from

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evil-samurai
2005-08-29, 01:19
Well I'm Not sure how much of the manga people have read but, it looks to be quite
interesting, as it doesn't have those Extreme Fan groups and the events are somewhat the same but different. I cant read the manga but I've skiped ahead and looked at a few scenes.

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/8...abyeyes2cs.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
O.O Rin and Sia might they Kiss..
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9...owhatoo6ay.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
O.O Primula and Rin, will something more happpen..

If you look and are a fan of one of the other girls I'm sure their will be something in the future chapters for them.

And Another Note, I wonder how the Manga will end things will one girl be the one, or will Rin Chose Nobody Since I think that the anime and manga will have different endings.
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Morisato
2005-08-30, 01:38
How is the clone tool different from using the marquee, selecting an area then pressing copy?
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scsa20
2005-08-30, 04:09
The difference is that it'll only capy around surrading areas compair to only one area.

The clone tool is perfect if you want to do a small patch job and what not (I used that tool to get a dent out of a picture of my co-worker's car).

Using the marquee tool to select an area and copying well involed a lot of editing after pasting it when only do a small repair job. I only find the Marquee tool useful when I only want to copy part of a picture over to another layer or onto another picture.
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evil-samurai
2005-09-07, 20:31
Seems like not many people are following the manga I thought, that Primula and Sia Fans might be interested in the Spoilers

Well after reading over a few parts, One thing I notice is a bit different is the way they colour/shade the Characters eyes, It's not that bad but I like how the how done it in the anime better.
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Tiamat
2005-09-07, 23:09
Woohoo go Sia! Don't follow the manga too much, look at it here and there. Paying more attention to the anime.

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evil-samurai
2005-09-09, 23:40
looks to be the Case for most people here.
well I picked one funny moment from the first Chapter

"80.. 85.. Hmm.. that girl is around 95..? Rin, What Do you think" ~ Itsuki
*comenting on girls as he wallks past them

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NeoSam
2005-09-10, 10:38
looks to be the Case for most people here.

When the anime is finished, everything will change

everyone will want SHUFFLE! game and manga

I hope after that KnKF group will continue with the SHUFFLE! manga

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Angelsama
2005-09-10, 22:04
When the anime is finished, everything will change

everyone will want SHUFFLE! game and manga

Its amazing how true that is.

I can do without the game for a while.. played that to much before the Anime.. but god damn it i want more Shuffle manga~! >.<
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Morisato
2005-09-12, 02:08
Did KazenoKoe fansub get his feelings hurt by a certain comment and stopped scanlating the manga now?
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Mitsukai Shirogane
2005-09-12, 22:28
There's A Shuffle! Manga!!! O.o Where Have I Been?????????????
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Vexx
2005-09-27, 12:30
Did KazenoKoe fansub get his feelings hurt by a certain comment and stopped scanlating the manga now?

More likely he's a student and school just started .... I find my expectations about manga scanlations and anime fansubs are easier to control if I keep track of the school calendar --- these brave

men and women are often buried by Real Life a few times a year (school start, midterms, finals) and then they just need a break (yay, summer!).

I'd like to do translations but you'll have to stand by for a year or two whilst I get up to speed (currently in immersive Japanese language studies -- my own personal midlife crisis action coupled with my wife and I's desire to visit Japan for an extended period -- she's nisei

).
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Kazekun
2005-09-27, 21:41
Did KazenoKoe fansub get his feelings hurt by a certain comment and stopped scanlating the manga now?

Lol. Nah man, we're all just busy with school.. Working with limited resources is all.
Expect a new manga chapter very soon.

I should mention our translator for the manga is also very busy with school, so we'll see what happens.
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Haloman
2005-09-27, 21:55
looking forward to it! Keep up the hard work

*total randomness*

Kitto Kitto Kaze!!!!

oh snap! ANOTHER fanclub!!
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Kazekun
2005-09-28, 00:41
looking forward to it! Keep up the hard work

*total randomness*

Kitto Kitto Kaze!!!!

oh snap! ANOTHER fanclub!!

I'm flattered... While at the very same time... horrified...

*Walks away slowly...*
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Kazekun
2005-09-28, 01:27
Shuffle Vol.1 Manga Chapter 2 (http://kazenokoefansubs.fansub-torre...nga%5D.torrent)

Torrent for chapter 2.. Enjoy.
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NeoSam
2005-09-28, 06:39
Shuffle Vol.1 Manga Chapter 2 (http://kazenokoefansubs.fansub-torre...nga%5D.torrent)

Torrent for chapter 2.. Enjoy.

Thanks guys

Your release is now mentioned on Manganews (http://www.manganews.net) and the link to the BT is there too.
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Vexx
2005-09-28, 16:55
Much appreciation for the scanlations from Kazekun and company ... its nice to see one of the source materials for the anime if naught else. This may be one of those cases where the anime is actually preferred to the manga (which actually seems sketchy compared to the anime's character development, oddly enough). I'm assuming the backstory will be filled in as the manga progresses. And it scores massively by NOT having those hypergrotesque groupie squads. They're funny on occasion, but in general they waste a lot of screen time.
I'd love to help with translation but i'm just not there yet in terms of competency in the language.

Hopefully this manga will break the line and be popular enough to be translated and sold to the West. I figure if a nice little niche product like Moon Phase can, surely this one... ?
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Gumugum
2005-09-28, 21:55
Hazaa! Anyway woot for another release.
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Maids! Maids! Maids!
2005-09-28, 22:23
Shuffle Vol.1 Manga Chapter 2 (http://kazenokoefansubs.fansub-torre...nga%5D.torrent)

Torrent for chapter 2.. Enjoy.
Thanks for the manga, the anime, and everything else. You guys have done a great job!

Paul
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relentlessflame
2005-09-29, 00:29
its nice to see one of the source materials for the anime if naught else. This may be one of those cases where the anime is actually preferred to the manga (which actually seems sketchy compared to the anime's character development, oddly enough).Well, actually, that's because it really isn't source material for the anime. Like a lot of things in Comptiq magazine (http://www.comptiq.com/), it's a derivitive of the game (as is the anime, of course). And it tends to be more derivitive than most, in that it's really designed as an "extra" to please the fans. Unlike a lot of animes based on a manga's original story (where the general rule tends to be "the manga is better"), there's really no direct relation between the manga and the anime here, other than that they're both based on the same game (so, obviously, same characters, etc.). So yeah, if you take it as another chance to enjoy the Shuffle characters, then you'll probably understand the spirit in which it's being produced. Basically, as a general rule, anime based on games tend to recreate the main story in animated form, and manga based on games tend to be more complementary (expecting prior knowledge of the "real" story). Hope that helps bring a bit of context to the manga.
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Vexx
2005-09-29, 01:53
Ah thanks.. I was trying to be a bit vague because I wasn't sure about the chronology of the products and whether they were linear or "in parallel" as you point out.

I've got the game ordered and am anxious to see what the buzz is about (as well as get another motivation to improve my Japanese).
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Kazekun
2005-09-29, 22:38
Just out of curiosity.. Was this release better then the last, or possibly worse?
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Vexx
2005-09-30, 01:33
Just out of curiosity.. Was this release better then the last, or possibly worse?

Hard to really "judge" it without the raws... the mechanics of the font and typsetting seem fine. I've never been able to decide how literal I like my translations ... sometimes using the emotionally equivalent translation works better than the literal. I *definitely* prefer the use of the name-suffixes ... it tells a lot about the state of the relationship.

Just on what I see the second seems a bit better but I really have no metric to justify that.
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relentlessflame
2005-09-30, 02:25
Just out of curiosity.. Was this release better then the last, or possibly worse?Well, for what it's worth, I thought it was better. A noticeable improvement, to be sure. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I would like to offer a few little suggestions, though (please take them in the spirit in which they are offered - not meant as "harsh words", or anything). The three main things would be to try a different text font (perhaps Wild Words or AnimeAce), to work on typesetting in bubbles (I prefer to have everything center-justified, and with good margins around the edges of the bubbles - and make sure bubble text stays inside bubbles), and perhaps not to level quite so much (the images look a bit washed-out/too white, but that may have been due to bad raws). I think the treatment of SFX was improved - still a bunch that were a bit obviously "painted over", but it's better. The script itself is still a bit rough around the edges - work on grammar and flow (my suggestion there is to have the editor try reading it outloud - or at least "outloud in their head". It's a good way to test the flow of sentences) - but it's quite understandable. SFX are always a struggle, but it's coming along.

While editing guides (http://www.manganews.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5) are always a great help and highly recommended, a big suggestion is to look at what else is out there. Pick the best manga translations you see, study it, and emulate it. If nothing else, it's a good starting point.

I hope these suggestions are practical and helpful. If you need any more details/information/advice, feel free to ask. Keep up the good work!
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Kazekun
2005-09-30, 15:46
Well, for what it's worth, I thought it was better. A noticeable improvement, to be sure. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I would like to offer a few little suggestions, though (please take them in the spirit in which they are offered - not meant as "harsh words", or anything). The three main things would be to try a different text font (perhaps Wild Words or AnimeAce), to work on typesetting in bubbles (I prefer to have everything center-justified, and with good margins around the edges of the bubbles - and make sure bubble text stays inside bubbles), and perhaps not to level quite so much (the images look a bit washed-out/too white, but that may have been due to bad raws). I think the treatment of SFX was improved - still a bunch that were a bit obviously "painted over", but it's better. The script itself is still a bit rough around the edges - work on grammar and flow (my suggestion there is to have the editor try reading it outloud - or at least "outloud in their head". It's a good way to test the flow of sentences) - but it's quite understandable. SFX are always a struggle, but it's coming along.

While editing guides (http://www.manganews.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5) are always a great help and highly recommended, a big suggestion is to look at what else is out there. Pick the best manga translations you see, study it, and emulate it. If nothing else, it's a good starting point.

I hope these suggestions are practical and helpful. If you need any more details/information/advice, feel free to ask. Keep up the good work!

Hai, Wakarimasu.

Arigatou Gozaimasu,
KazeKun
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Ikki-san
2005-10-10, 19:32
I just started dleding the manga and I must stay I luv the first two chapters so theres three volumes out already right??
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evil-samurai
2005-10-18, 03:57
I just started dleding the manga and I must stay I luv the first two chapters so theres three volumes out already right??
Yea three volume, are out and I've just 'read~;' Volume 1 and It Great!!!!!

The moment in ep.6 where Primula Smiles, Is done So much better in the Manga. I was never to happy how they done that Scene But in the Manga Its Fantastic!!!

Kazekun, Thankyou for your work on the Manga, hope to see more

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NeoSam
2005-10-18, 10:45
BIG NEWS

SHUFFLE! -DAYS IN THE BLOOM- volume 4 will be released on 10/12/2005 (December 10th)

SHUFFLE! コミックアラカルト volume 5 will be released on 10/12/2005 (December 10th)

As I said before SHUFFLE! -DAYS IN THE BLOOM- is the official manga.

I'll post the covers once they are out

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qaveboy
2005-10-21, 13:39
is anyone else having issues with the link Kazekun provided? I keep getting connection timeouts and errors. just me?
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Vexx
2005-10-21, 18:07
There was a "Tier 1" Internet outage in the last 24 hrs which screwed up a lot of the Northern American portion of the net. Router firmware upgrade poison or some such. It appears to be slowly clearing up as the net gnomes do their duct taping.

Just occasionally.. its not the client's fault or the server's fault .... sometimes it is the Intarweb....

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Ikki-san
2005-10-27, 02:09
chapters 19-24 Raws are out at pointblank and I just read through them. Its mainly about Asa but I didn't like how they made her use her magic it was still good but not as dramatic as the game. But still it good to see her having her long hair in the manga. SHe so much cuter than the other girls with her long hair plus we get to see Asa's Dad or at least a pic of his dad.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4...e0210244lw.jpg
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Village Idiot
2005-10-27, 03:09
Agreed, it was far more dramatic in the game.

Though hopefully, the anime will stay true to the game moreso than the anime, especially with it's Age-15 rating.
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Marvin68
2005-10-28, 15:39
been trying to download the manga for almost a week now but nobody is uploading it , so i am just wandering if anyone could upload this file to a ftp server or something? it will be appreciated
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giu_2
2005-10-28, 16:01
been trying to download the manga for almost a week now but nobody is uploading it , so i am just wandering if anyone could upload this file to a ftp server or something? it will be appreciated

i got these parts..
Shuffle!_v01_c001[KnKF].zip
Shuffle!_v01_c002[KnKF-Manga].rar
and i would like to haev more

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eMpTy265
2005-10-30, 18:10
chapters 19-24 Raws are out at pointblank and I just read through them. Its mainly about Asa but I didn't like how they made her use her magic it was still good but not as dramatic as the game. But still it good to see her having her long hair in the manga. SHe so much cuter than the other girls with her long hair plus we get to see Asa's Dad or at least a pic of his dad.

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4...e0210244lw.jpg

Just read the raw as well.

The way the manga handled each heroine's "scenario" made me feel that the manga is trying to drag things along without any plot development.

While the manga did play out each heroine's story, nothing came out of it apart from character development.

I suppose that's the downside of having a manga come after the game...

That being said, I'm still looking forwards to Kareha's and Mayumi's stories, since I probably won't be getting my hands on Shuffle! On Stage.

2005-12-16, 22:02	Link #2
*NightWish* …Nothing More Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Age: 44	Recovered Thread Content Spoiler: NeoSam 2005-08-19, 09:09 These are the SHUFFLE! manga for now SHUFFLE! -DAYS IN THE BLOOM- volumes 1+2+3 (Official manga) http://img287.echo.cx/img287/7946/12shuffle119ry.jpg http://img287.echo.cx/img287/3079/22shuffle212zs.jpg http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3...zzzzzzz9va.jpg SHUFFLE! コミックアラカルト volumes 1+2+3+4 http://img287.echo.cx/img287/2474/13shuffleala110ee.jpg http://img287.echo.cx/img287/8494/20040800005017gw.jpg http://img287.echo.cx/img287/1427/20040800005111am.jpg http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/8...zzzzzzz4ak.jpg SHUFFLE! -DAYS IN THE BLOOM- is the official manga. This site (http://www.comptiq.com/event/shuffle_ch/index.html) is for character figurines and other info about SHUFFLE! BTW, there is no scanlation of SHUFFLE! manga yet (to my knowledge). __________________________________________________ __________ evil-samurai 2005-08-19, 09:31 I've read... some of the first Volume, Its follow's the anime, in Parts I noticed But still has moments Which are no where to be seen. Overall the Art in the Manga is Quite different than form the anime, But Still all the Characters are Drawn Basicly the same + the detail is good, Just dont Expect the Art to be up to the Standards as Say the Kenshin Manga. Hopefull Someone might Translate it but only time will tell __________________________________________________ __________ Kawaii Denka 2005-08-19, 09:39 I quite like the manga since I don't have to bear with the craptacular special-ops teams. It also has some differences from the anime which I prefered. (although its probably due to the fact that the anime and manga choose to order the events of the story differently). __________________________________________________ __________ Angelsama 2005-08-19, 18:49 I quite like the manga since I don't have to bear with the craptacular special-ops teams. Thats the main reason why i've started to love the manga~! ^^ __________________________________________________ __________ Kuro 2005-08-19, 22:18 Where can I purchase the manga? __________________________________________________ __________ MakotoFatora 2005-08-22, 08:40 Where can I purchase the manga? Animaxis.com (http://www.animaxis.com/en/shop/prod...ku=128301%2D00) has the first volume listed, but is currently out of stock. I don't know where you are exactly, but their shipping to the US is also pretty expensive, so if you have some other stuff you wanted to get, best to do it to make it worthwhile. I checked sasugabooks.com and they don't seem to have it listed there yet, though a friend of mine who went to the Sasuga Bookstore in Boston this weekend thought she saw it there. hopefully I can get a weekend to go into Boston and look myself. __________________________________________________ __________ Xellos-_^ 2005-08-22, 15:10 I got the first 2 vol of shuffle raw. The scan is okay, not great but readable. If anyone wants to give it try transalting it. I will be happy to sent to that person. __________________________________________________ __________ Sionthus 2005-08-22, 15:23 raises hand Can i get it just for the pictures? O_o __________________________________________________ __________ scsa20 2005-08-23, 14:40 I must get the pillows and yet I can't seem to find where I could buy them (can someone give me a direct link, or, better yet, if someone could buy them for me and I'll pay you whatever you pay plus shipping plus 40 bucks more for the trouble?) __________________________________________________ __________ Morisato 2005-08-24, 00:01 SHUFFLE! manga links anyone? __________________________________________________ __________ RunningTARGET 2005-08-24, 21:23 I must get the pillows and yet I can't seem to find where I could buy them (can someone give me a direct link, or, better yet, if someone could buy them for me and I'll pay you whatever you pay plus shipping plus 40 bucks more for the trouble?) I must say, people have become obsessed havent they. Seriously poeple they're just fictional characters. Now where did i put that spare cash... SHUFFLE! manga links anyone? Vols 1-3 RAW have been upped before on verious sites, thought its been a while so the torrents are most likely dead. Though some one is bound to translate it soon enough. __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-08-25, 20:22 Kazenokoefansubs has just released Manga Chapter 1, Please read the readme.txt and see if you can help us out ^^. For torrents and direct download info goto "Kazenokoe.com" and look at the news update <--To lazy to go get the links and copy them in here. evil-samurai __________________________________________________ __________ 2005-08-25, 20:26 Whats this?? the Manga is being Translated by by " Kazenokoefansubs" they Just released the first Chapter of volume 1 Torrent: Shuffle!_v01_c001[KnKF] (http://kazenokoefansubs.fansub-torre...nKF%5D.torrent) Side note: Well I think the manga theard might need a different theard than merchandise(figurines, artbooks, OSTs, ...). since its translated and we can talk about it more. EDIT: didn't see the post above __________________________________________________ __________ Angelsama 2005-08-25, 20:43 Kazenokoefansubs has just released Manga Chapter 1 Thanking you, you've just made me a happy bunny on my birthday. =D __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-08-25, 20:46 Thanking you, you've just made me a happy bunny on my birthday. =D Oh a very happy birthday to you then ^^. How old are you? Edit: Just noticed the thing labeled "Age: 18" so I assume your 19 now.... Isn't english fun? >.>;; __________________________________________________ __________ Angelsama 2005-08-25, 20:51 Oh a very happy birthday to you then ^^. How old are you? just turned 19 today - and nothing beats being able to read the Shuffle manga on their birthday. ^^ Edit: Just noticed the thing labeled "Age: 18" so I assume your 19 now.... Isn't english fun? >.>;; Hehe, its an easy mistake. ^^;; __________________________________________________ __________ NeoSam 2005-08-25, 20:56 Angelsama, Happy Birthday Kazenokoefansubs has just released Manga Chapter 1, Please read the readme.txt and see if you can help us out ^^. For torrents and direct download info goto "Kazenokoe.com" and look at the news update <--To lazy to go get the links and copy them in here. Thanks a lot Side note: Well I think the manga theard might need a different theard than merchandise(figurines, artbooks, OSTs, ...). since its translated and we can talk about it more. Maybe the merchandise posts should be removed and put into their own thread. __________________________________________________ __________ RunningTARGET 2005-08-25, 21:02 Kazenokoefansubs has just released Manga Chapter 1, Please read the readme.txt and see if you can help us out ^^. For torrents and direct download info goto "Kazenokoe.com" and look at the news update <--To lazy to go get the links and copy them in here. Typical of this post coming after mine. hehe. Now I can read what they're saying. __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-08-25, 21:05 Typical of this post coming after mine. hehe. Now I can read what they're saying. Hmm well we've been working on it for awhile actually we just wanted to make it perfect and with our editors and translator busy it's been sort of a bitch.. Which is why we're hoping a few people will read the readme.txt and give us an email or something. __________________________________________________ __________ NeoSam 2005-08-25, 21:19 KazeKun please check this: http://www.manganews.net/seriesinfo.php?id=3023 If there is some info you want me to add, just say so your group has been added and the info about website and IRC channel is there too. Again thanks for working on this manga. __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-08-25, 21:32 KazeKun please check this: http://www.manganews.net/seriesinfo.php?id=3023 If there is some info you want me to add, just say so your group has been added and the info about website and IRC channel is there too. Again thanks for working on this manga. Wow thanks man, I appreciate it ^^.. Manga is a pretty new field for us so I wasnt' sure if there were manga sites. Looks good. And also np ^^ we take cookies and translators though >.> preferably cookies but if he's a good guy will take the translator first....then the cookie... __________________________________________________ __________ Roots 2005-08-25, 21:43 Umm, I don't mean to be an ass or anything but I had several problems with the first manga chapter scanslated by KazeNoKoeFansubs. Allow me to point them out: 1) For the love of god lose the weird arcing text. Sure it might look cool, but its a bitch to read. I had to turn my head several times just to read the damn things, and it was incredibly annoying. 2) Don't just cover up the Japanese text with English. That's the mark of someone who either cares only about speed and not quality, or someone who just doesn't understand how to edit manga well. It looks cheap. 3) The sfx. Leaving them in romanized Japanese is fine, but you might want to put translator's notes for the "less intuitive" sounds. I'm sure many people don't understand what "PISHAAAN" means (shutting door). And you know you can always put in the English equivalents where approrpiate, like "DON DON" = "BAM BAM", etc. I usually mix both English and romanzied Japanes sfx when I translate. 4) Proof your work. One line that annoyed me was "Well I have no interest in going along with your interests...". It just sounds like poor English. Maybe they used the same word for 'interest' in the raws, I don't know. But this brings me to my 5th point... 5) Don't translate literally! The Japanese language's semantical structure is radically different than English, and often times its just better to completely re-phrase a sentence so it sounds more natural than trying to stay true to the Japanese text. 6) When you introduce name styles like "Ma-bou" and "Shin-chan", you might want to actually explain the name suffixes and shortcuts in that case. Of course I know 魔王 (Maou) = demon king and so Ma-bou would be a "cute" way of saying that, but I bet 95% of your audience wouldn't know that. 7) Manga scanslation definitely isn't easy (as I'm sure you all at KnKF figured out now). But you should know your places. Its a whole different ballpark from Fansubs and just because you're competent in one doesn't mean you'll be competent in the other. If you continue to do this manga, I suggest you find a team with experience in scanslating a manga so you can release great manga chapters of Shuffle along with great fansubs. And with time and practice, I'm sure your skills in manga scanslation will improve, but until they do I recommend you find some "senpais" to show you the ropes. I hope you didn't take my comments the wrong way and that what I stated above is useful to you guys. Good luck. __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-08-25, 21:55 Umm, I don't mean to be an ass or anything but I had several problems with the first manga chapter scanslated by KazeNoKoeFansubs. Allow me to point them out: 1) For the love of god lose the weird arcing text. Sure it might look cool, but its a bitch to read. I had to turn my head several times just to read the damn things, and it was incredibly annoying. 2) Don't just cover up the Japanese text with English. That's the mark of someone who either cares only about speed and not quality, or someone who just doesn't understand how to edit manga well. It looks cheap. 3) The sfx. Leaving them in romanized Japanese is fine, but you might want to put translator's notes for the "less intuitive" sounds. I'm sure many people don't understand what "PISHAAAN" means (shutting door). And you know you can always put in the English equivalents where approrpiate, like "DON DON" = "BAM BAM", etc. I usually mix both English and romanzied Japanes sfx when I translate. 4) Proof your work. One line that annoyed me was "Well I have no interest in going along with your interests...". It just sounds like poor English. Maybe they used the same word for 'interest' in the raws, I don't know. But this brings me to my 5th point... 5) Don't translate literally! The Japanese language's semantical structure is radically different than English, and often times its just better to completely re-phrase a sentence so it sounds more natural than trying to stay true to the Japanese text. 6) When you introduce name styles like "Ma-bou" and "Shin-chan", you might want to actually explain the name suffixes and shortcuts in that case. Of course I know 魔王 (Maou) = demon king and so Ma-bou would be a "cute" way of saying that, but I bet 95% of your audience wouldn't know that. 7) Manga scanslation definitely isn't easy (as I'm sure you all at KnKF figured out now). But you should know your places. Its a whole different ballpark from Fansubs and just because you're competent in one doesn't mean you'll be competent in the other. If you continue to do this manga, I suggest you find a team with experience in scanslating a manga so you can release great manga chapters of Shuffle along with great fansubs. And with time and practice, I'm sure your skills in manga scanslation will improve, but until they do I recommend you find some "senpais" to show you the ropes. I hope you didn't take my comments the wrong way and that what I stated above is useful to you guys. Good luck. Then don't read it.. let's see... Okay we didn't erase sfx like some groups... We didn't translate them as yeah we honestly don't know them.... um text... that was our editors choice and i'll be sure to make it different for you next time.... Um sorry that "Fansubbing" is so different from "Manga Scanlating" but I don't think it really matters when half your audience is just going to say eh well their's came out first so I got it.. Or if they're not like that they'll probaly sell you out when a better known group releases and... What else.... Want to complain, then I highly recommend you read the original japanese raw manga or help us.. Either that or please don't be as rude.. There were several ways you could of informed us of our "errors", but this was probaly the rudest way.... Thanks again. -KazeKun Edit: 7) Manga scanslation definitely isn't easy (as I'm sure you all at KnKF figured out now). But you should know your places. Its a whole different ballpark from Fansubs and just because you're competent in one doesn't mean you'll be competent in the other Yeah, Sorry that just screams insult... And I don't think we're just so great we can do "Manga Scanlating" but when most other groups still white out the text or translate from chinese... I don't think we're exactly in the wrong for trying to supply the public with a free service. __________________________________________________ __________ Roots 2005-08-25, 23:53 sigh I knew that you would take it the wrong way. Look, I was just trying to point out what I felt were mistakes in the first chapter you released so you could hopefully improve upon them next time. If by "better means of communicating it to us" you mean speaking with you privately instead of posting it in a public place, well yeah I could have done that, but I've found that submitting private critiques of others work has much less of a chance of getting them to do something about it than a public statement. I would be glad to help out if I wasn't so damn busy these days because I enjoy Shuffle and I think I would enjoy the manga as well. I don't think it really matters when half your audience is just going to say eh well their's came out first so I got it. I'm probably adding fuel to the fire by responding to this, but I disagree. Sure, your first time you're going to have a few goof-ups because you are inexperienced (I admit that I made mistakes when I started out too), but I don't feel that "excuses" you from making misteakes. You just need to admit them and learn from them. That's the important attitude to have IMO, and not to just shrug it off as "well it was our first time so its okay". Yeah, Sorry that just screams insult... And I don't think we're just so great we can do "Manga Scanlating" but when most other groups still white out the text or translate from chinese... I don't think we're exactly in the wrong for trying to supply the public with a free service. You're absolutely right here, I admit it. It was rude and I was very presumptious of me as to the reason you chose scanslated the manga (I thought you were just trying to provide leverage to get more people to watch your subs). I apologize for that. Of course it is a free service and I as well as others appreciate it. But just because something is free doesn't mean the quality has to be poor. I use and write free software everyday of my life and I feel in many cases that it is much better than proprietary products (and I think free manga should be the same way). __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-08-26, 00:11 sigh I knew that you would take it the wrong way. Look, I was just trying to point out what I felt were mistakes in the first chapter you released so you could hopefully improve upon them next time. If by "better means of communicating it to us" you mean speaking with you privately instead of posting it in a public place, well yeah I could have done that, but I've found that submitting private critiques of others work has much less of a chance of getting them to do something about it than a public statement. I would be glad to help out if I wasn't so damn busy these days because I enjoy Shuffle and I think I would enjoy the manga as well. I'm probably adding fuel to the fire by responding to this, but I disagree. Sure, your first time you're going to have a few goof-ups because you are inexperienced (I admit that I made mistakes when I started out too), but I don't feel that "excuses" you from making misteakes. You just need to admit them and learn from them. That's the important attitude to have IMO, and not to just shrug it off as "well it was our first time so its okay". You're absolutely right here, I admit it. It was rude and I was very presumptious of me as to the reason you chose scanslated the manga (I thought you were just trying to provide leverage to get more people to watch your subs). I apologize for that. Of course it is a free service and I as well as others appreciate it. But just because something is free doesn't mean the quality has to be poor. I use and write free software everyday of my life and I feel in many cases that it is much better than proprietary products (and I think free manga should be the same way). Well I first want to say, I do understand you were trying to help... But when you say things like "But you should know your places." that's like calling us lower then dogs, not good enough because we chose one profession before we started another. And i'm not a lazy anime founder who thinks, well it was my first time so we'll do better later. No, I'm nowhere near that. I learned just about every job and examined many fansubs to continue improving my group's overall quality. I have put many hours into it just to make it what it is today, and I admit that's not something anime-kingdom or aone would be proud of.. But we're not exactly looking for a huge community of 10yr olds who run their mouths.... I do realize that most people would probaly have shrugged off a pm.. But I really would have preferred you had done it that way as I would have welcomed it alot more... You know maybe next time if the person doesn't improve or reply you could then insult them to the public... But I understand some founders and groups you have to be stern and insult them to get a point across but KnKF... Will never be that group.. We'll try to make your changes next time... and also if you know someone who has japanese knowledge or atleast sound effect knowledge pass em our way.. We would love to do a better job next time. -KazeKun __________________________________________________ __________ Roots 2005-08-26, 00:17 This is what I usually refer to for Japanese onomatopoeia: http://www.oop-ack.com/manga/soundfx.html It doesn't have everything you'll find (since a lot of mangaka's "invent" their own sfx in their mangas), but it has a good heap of stuff. I'm still searching for a more complete list myself. __________________________________________________ __________ evil-samurai 2005-08-26, 04:01 just turned 19 today - and nothing beats being able to read the Shuffle manga on their birthday. ^^ Happy Birthday About the manga, Chapter 1 was ok, they were missing one really important Character. One thing theat Nice about the Manga is some of the colour Work, I thought the Double colur Page looked Fantastic. Well Cant wait to read more of the Manga Thx Kazekun for work on Shuffle __________________________________________________ __________ Marvel 2005-08-26, 15:39 Does someone know if SHUFFLE! has a chance to get licenced since its populairity ? __________________________________________________ __________ scsa20 2005-08-26, 15:45 For the anime: 40% chance. For the manga: 30% chance For the game: 0.02% chance then again, this is just my figures from what I've obseved from the past... not all populair anime/manga that's out in japan and what not get licenses because of this and that. I'm still kind of surpressed that Kodacha was licensed by FA, although, because of there contract, they had to cut some stuff out (like... some dialog on the japanese track >_> ) Anyways... for the manga, they have to jump through the same hoops that anime licnesers has to go through, and not all populair manga get's license. For h-games, on the other hand, if the game is "too populair." To quote from the head guy who license the h-games for US releases: There's an inverse effect with Japanese games though -- sometimes games are "too popular" for their own good. Air, Kanon, To Heart, sold 30,000 or more copies at $88 here in Japan (Tokimeki Memorial sold 100,000), which makes the pittance we can offer Japanese companies to license their games look pretty bad... later on in the convo: Yes, but then there are two problems. One, when something loses popularity, it loses popularity, no matter what it was to start with. Also, in the case of the Elf games that were so popular once, their lack of availability through legal channels caused them to be pirated left and right. I for one wouldn't be willing to take a chance licensing a game that million of people had already gotten for free once. I am not trying to shoot down your ideas of course, just presenting an unfortunate catch-22 we're faced with ^_^ (btw... I asked him what if the popularity dies down a bit, if it would possible then, that's the guy's reply). __________________________________________________ __________ Valdra 2005-08-26, 15:47 Does someone know if SHUFFLE! has a chance to get licenced since its populairity ? I somewhat doubt it At least not for a while... I mean, in terms of erogame conversions KGNE seems to have caused a fair commotion in the community but no company seems to have looked twice at that, Shuffle's much less popular outside of these forums. Nope, you won't be putting Shuffle! DVDs on your shelf for a looong time. __________________________________________________ __________ Xellos-_^ 2005-08-26, 16:49 I somewhat doubt it At least not for a while... I mean, in terms of erogame conversions KGNE seems to have caused a fair commotion in the community but no company seems to have looked twice at that, Shuffle's much less popular outside of these forums. Nope, you won't be putting Shuffle! DVDs on your shelf for a looong time. If someone can get me the script for Shuffle fansubs I might be able get my hand on the R2 dvd iso. Got a friend who teaching english in japan Too bad for him, his gf is with him so he can't experience the full range of japanese culture. Back to topic, if someone can get me the fansub scripts, I got a good chance of being able to make some Shuffle Fansub DVDr. __________________________________________________ __________ Valdra 2005-08-26, 17:01 If someone can get me the script for Shuffle fansubs I might be able get my hand on the R2 dvd iso. Got a friend who teaching english in japan Too bad for him, his gf is with him so he can't experience the full range of japanese culture. Back to topic, if someone can get me the fansub scripts, I got a good chance of being able to make some Shuffle Fansub DVDr. DVD-Rs are easy I meant as in officially released ones. Was making dvds of Seed Destiny until I just decided watching them on the PC was easier. __________________________________________________ __________ rajhaziel 2005-08-26, 22:34 The iso will be of easy access when they do get released. __________________________________________________ __________ Encoder 2005-08-27, 02:54 So I've always wondered, how do scanlators edit out the text thats written on the picture itself? I.E. not written in the talking bubble but written ontop of a pic. __________________________________________________ __________ scsa20 2005-08-27, 03:09 Got to LOOOOOOVVVVVEEEE that clone tool wink, wink btw... I'm just guessing here ^^;; __________________________________________________ __________ Roots 2005-08-27, 03:56 Yeah, I'm pretty sure our editors use the clone tool. At least I remember hearing them worship it often. One (newbie) editor I remember edited the entire text out and drew over it by hand. That's some...err...dedication I guess? __________________________________________________ __________ relentlessflame 2005-08-27, 05:48 Yeah, definitely the clone stamp tool. Sometimes, you do have to do a bit of re-drawing too - for example, to join strands of hair that were covered by words, to fill the gap of two-page spreads, etc. You can quite easily spend many many hours cleaning up a single page, or spread (and some manga are more "evil" than others in that way). Anyway, I've heard some good things about the Shuffle manga, so I'm looking forward to reading more. __________________________________________________ __________ Cloudnine 2005-08-27, 13:59 Yeah, definitely the clone stamp tool. Sometimes, you do have to do a bit of re-drawing too - for example, to join strands of hair that were covered by words, to fill the gap of two-page spreads, etc. You can quite easily spend many many hours cleaning up a single page, or spread (and some manga are more "evil" than others in that way). Aside from the clone tool, the smudge tool the pen tool is my favorite for cleaning and redrawing b&w scans ^^ Hair is a pain to redraw, but using a pen tool/stroke can do wonders __________________________________________________ __________ Myname 2005-08-28, 21:29 Which one is the clone tool in photoshop? __________________________________________________ __________ scsa20 2005-08-28, 22:26 the one that looks like a stamp (a faster way is just press the S key on your keyboard ) to use it under Windows, press the Alt key (I guess it'll be the Apple key under Macs but I'm not sure since I wouldn't touch a mac with a 10 feet pole) and select the area that you want to copy (normally around the area where you're going to fix) and then let go of Alt and click on the spot you want to touch up. This well keep the same distace of where you want to clone and what you want to clone, the Crosshairs well show you what your cloneing from __________________________________________________ __________ evil-samurai 2005-08-29, 01:19 Well I'm Not sure how much of the manga people have read but, it looks to be quite interesting, as it doesn't have those Extreme Fan groups and the events are somewhat the same but different. I cant read the manga but I've skiped ahead and looked at a few scenes. http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/8...abyeyes2cs.jpg (http://imageshack.us) O.O Rin and Sia might they Kiss.. http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9...owhatoo6ay.jpg (http://imageshack.us) O.O Primula and Rin, will something more happpen.. If you look and are a fan of one of the other girls I'm sure their will be something in the future chapters for them. And Another Note, I wonder how the Manga will end things will one girl be the one, or will Rin Chose Nobody Since I think that the anime and manga will have different endings. __________________________________________________ __________ Morisato 2005-08-30, 01:38 How is the clone tool different from using the marquee, selecting an area then pressing copy? __________________________________________________ __________ scsa20 2005-08-30, 04:09 The difference is that it'll only capy around surrading areas compair to only one area. The clone tool is perfect if you want to do a small patch job and what not (I used that tool to get a dent out of a picture of my co-worker's car). Using the marquee tool to select an area and copying well involed a lot of editing after pasting it when only do a small repair job. I only find the Marquee tool useful when I only want to copy part of a picture over to another layer or onto another picture. __________________________________________________ __________ evil-samurai 2005-09-07, 20:31 Seems like not many people are following the manga I thought, that Primula and Sia Fans might be interested in the Spoilers Well after reading over a few parts, One thing I notice is a bit different is the way they colour/shade the Characters eyes, It's not that bad but I like how the how done it in the anime better. __________________________________________________ __________ Tiamat 2005-09-07, 23:09 Woohoo go Sia! Don't follow the manga too much, look at it here and there. Paying more attention to the anime. __________________________________________________ __________ evil-samurai 2005-09-09, 23:40 looks to be the Case for most people here. well I picked one funny moment from the first Chapter "80.. 85.. Hmm.. that girl is around 95..? Rin, What Do you think" ~ Itsuki comenting on girls as he wallks past them __________________________________________________ __________ NeoSam* 2005-09-10, 10:38 looks to be the Case for most people here. When the anime is finished, everything will change everyone will want SHUFFLE! game and manga I hope after that KnKF group will continue with the SHUFFLE! manga __________________________________________________ __________ Angelsama 2005-09-10, 22:04 When the anime is finished, everything will change everyone will want SHUFFLE! game and manga Its amazing how true that is. I can do without the game for a while.. played that to much before the Anime.. but god damn it i want more Shuffle manga~! >.< __________________________________________________ __________ Morisato 2005-09-12, 02:08 Did KazenoKoe fansub get his feelings hurt by a certain comment and stopped scanlating the manga now? __________________________________________________ __________ Mitsukai Shirogane 2005-09-12, 22:28 There's A Shuffle! Manga!!! O.o Where Have I Been????????????? __________________________________________________ __________ Vexx 2005-09-27, 12:30 Did KazenoKoe fansub get his feelings hurt by a certain comment and stopped scanlating the manga now? More likely he's a student and school just started .... I find my expectations about manga scanlations and anime fansubs are easier to control if I keep track of the school calendar --- these brave men and women are often buried by Real Life a few times a year (school start, midterms, finals) and then they just need a break (yay, summer!). I'd like to do translations but you'll have to stand by for a year or two whilst I get up to speed (currently in immersive Japanese language studies -- my own personal midlife crisis action coupled with my wife and I's desire to visit Japan for an extended period -- she's nisei ). __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-09-27, 21:41 Did KazenoKoe fansub get his feelings hurt by a certain comment and stopped scanlating the manga now? Lol. Nah man, we're all just busy with school.. Working with limited resources is all. Expect a new manga chapter very soon. I should mention our translator for the manga is also very busy with school, so we'll see what happens. __________________________________________________ __________ Haloman 2005-09-27, 21:55 looking forward to it! Keep up the hard work total randomness Kitto Kitto Kaze!!!! oh snap! ANOTHER fanclub!! __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-09-28, 00:41 looking forward to it! Keep up the hard work total randomness Kitto Kitto Kaze!!!! oh snap! ANOTHER fanclub!! I'm flattered... While at the very same time... horrified... Walks away slowly... __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-09-28, 01:27 Shuffle Vol.1 Manga Chapter 2 (http://kazenokoefansubs.fansub-torre...nga%5D.torrent) Torrent for chapter 2.. Enjoy. __________________________________________________ __________ NeoSam 2005-09-28, 06:39 Shuffle Vol.1 Manga Chapter 2 (http://kazenokoefansubs.fansub-torre...nga%5D.torrent) Torrent for chapter 2.. Enjoy. Thanks guys Your release is now mentioned on Manganews (http://www.manganews.net) and the link to the BT is there too. __________________________________________________ __________ Vexx 2005-09-28, 16:55 Much appreciation for the scanlations from Kazekun and company ... its nice to see one of the source materials for the anime if naught else. This may be one of those cases where the anime is actually preferred to the manga (which actually seems sketchy compared to the anime's character development, oddly enough). I'm assuming the backstory will be filled in as the manga progresses. And it scores massively by NOT having those hypergrotesque groupie squads. They're funny on occasion, but in general they waste a lot of screen time. I'd love to help with translation but i'm just not there yet in terms of competency in the language. Hopefully this manga will break the line and be popular enough to be translated and sold to the West. I figure if a nice little niche product like Moon Phase can, surely this one... ? __________________________________________________ __________ Gumugum 2005-09-28, 21:55 Hazaa! Anyway woot for another release. __________________________________________________ __________ Maids! Maids! Maids! 2005-09-28, 22:23 Shuffle Vol.1 Manga Chapter 2 (http://kazenokoefansubs.fansub-torre...nga%5D.torrent) Torrent for chapter 2.. Enjoy. Thanks for the manga, the anime, and everything else. You guys have done a great job! Paul __________________________________________________ __________ relentlessflame 2005-09-29, 00:29 its nice to see one of the source materials for the anime if naught else. This may be one of those cases where the anime is actually preferred to the manga (which actually seems sketchy compared to the anime's character development, oddly enough).Well, actually, that's because it really isn't source material for the anime. Like a lot of things in Comptiq magazine (http://www.comptiq.com/), it's a derivitive of the game (as is the anime, of course). And it tends to be more derivitive than most, in that it's really designed as an "extra" to please the fans. Unlike a lot of animes based on a manga's original story (where the general rule tends to be "the manga is better"), there's really no direct relation between the manga and the anime here, other than that they're both based on the same game (so, obviously, same characters, etc.). So yeah, if you take it as another chance to enjoy the Shuffle characters, then you'll probably understand the spirit in which it's being produced. Basically, as a general rule, anime based on games tend to recreate the main story in animated form, and manga based on games tend to be more complementary (expecting prior knowledge of the "real" story). Hope that helps bring a bit of context to the manga. __________________________________________________ __________ Vexx 2005-09-29, 01:53 Ah thanks.. I was trying to be a bit vague because I wasn't sure about the chronology of the products and whether they were linear or "in parallel" as you point out. I've got the game ordered and am anxious to see what the buzz is about (as well as get another motivation to improve my Japanese). __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-09-29, 22:38 Just out of curiosity.. Was this release better then the last, or possibly worse? __________________________________________________ __________ Vexx 2005-09-30, 01:33 Just out of curiosity.. Was this release better then the last, or possibly worse? Hard to really "judge" it without the raws... the mechanics of the font and typsetting seem fine. I've never been able to decide how literal I like my translations ... sometimes using the emotionally equivalent translation works better than the literal. I definitely prefer the use of the name-suffixes ... it tells a lot about the state of the relationship. Just on what I see the second seems a bit better but I really have no metric to justify that. __________________________________________________ __________ relentlessflame 2005-09-30, 02:25 Just out of curiosity.. Was this release better then the last, or possibly worse?Well, for what it's worth, I thought it was better. A noticeable improvement, to be sure. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I would like to offer a few little suggestions, though (please take them in the spirit in which they are offered - not meant as "harsh words", or anything). The three main things would be to try a different text font (perhaps Wild Words or AnimeAce), to work on typesetting in bubbles (I prefer to have everything center-justified, and with good margins around the edges of the bubbles - and make sure bubble text stays inside bubbles), and perhaps not to level quite so much (the images look a bit washed-out/too white, but that may have been due to bad raws). I think the treatment of SFX was improved - still a bunch that were a bit obviously "painted over", but it's better. The script itself is still a bit rough around the edges - work on grammar and flow (my suggestion there is to have the editor try reading it outloud - or at least "outloud in their head". It's a good way to test the flow of sentences) - but it's quite understandable. SFX are always a struggle, but it's coming along. While editing guides (http://www.manganews.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5) are always a great help and highly recommended, a big suggestion is to look at what else is out there. Pick the best manga translations you see, study it, and emulate it. If nothing else, it's a good starting point. I hope these suggestions are practical and helpful. If you need any more details/information/advice, feel free to ask. Keep up the good work! __________________________________________________ __________ Kazekun 2005-09-30, 15:46 Well, for what it's worth, I thought it was better. A noticeable improvement, to be sure. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I would like to offer a few little suggestions, though (please take them in the spirit in which they are offered - not meant as "harsh words", or anything). The three main things would be to try a different text font (perhaps Wild Words or AnimeAce), to work on typesetting in bubbles (I prefer to have everything center-justified, and with good margins around the edges of the bubbles - and make sure bubble text stays inside bubbles), and perhaps not to level quite so much (the images look a bit washed-out/too white, but that may have been due to bad raws). I think the treatment of SFX was improved - still a bunch that were a bit obviously "painted over", but it's better. The script itself is still a bit rough around the edges - work on grammar and flow (my suggestion there is to have the editor try reading it outloud - or at least "outloud in their head". It's a good way to test the flow of sentences) - but it's quite understandable. SFX are always a struggle, but it's coming along. While editing guides (http://www.manganews.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5) are always a great help and highly recommended, a big suggestion is to look at what else is out there. Pick the best manga translations you see, study it, and emulate it. If nothing else, it's a good starting point. I hope these suggestions are practical and helpful. If you need any more details/information/advice, feel free to ask. Keep up the good work! Hai, Wakarimasu. Arigatou Gozaimasu, KazeKun __________________________________________________ __________ Ikki-san 2005-10-10, 19:32 I just started dleding the manga and I must stay I luv the first two chapters so theres three volumes out already right?? __________________________________________________ __________ evil-samurai 2005-10-18, 03:57 I just started dleding the manga and I must stay I luv the first two chapters so theres three volumes out already right?? Yea three volume, are out and I've just 'read~;' Volume 1 and It Great!!!!! The moment in ep.6 where Primula Smiles, Is done So much better in the Manga. I was never to happy how they done that Scene But in the Manga Its Fantastic!!! Kazekun, Thankyou for your work on the Manga, hope to see more __________________________________________________ __________ NeoSam 2005-10-18, 10:45 BIG NEWS SHUFFLE! -DAYS IN THE BLOOM- volume 4 will be released on 10/12/2005 (December 10th) SHUFFLE! コミックアラカルト volume 5 will be released on 10/12/2005 (December 10th) As I said before SHUFFLE! -DAYS IN THE BLOOM- is the official manga. I'll post the covers once they are out __________________________________________________ __________ qaveboy 2005-10-21, 13:39 is anyone else having issues with the link Kazekun provided? I keep getting connection timeouts and errors. just me? __________________________________________________ __________ Vexx 2005-10-21, 18:07 There was a "Tier 1" Internet outage in the last 24 hrs which screwed up a lot of the Northern American portion of the net. Router firmware upgrade poison or some such. It appears to be slowly clearing up as the net gnomes do their duct taping. Just occasionally.. its not the client's fault or the server's fault .... sometimes it is the Intarweb.... __________________________________________________ __________ Ikki-san 2005-10-27, 02:09 chapters 19-24 Raws are out at pointblank and I just read through them. Its mainly about Asa but I didn't like how they made her use her magic it was still good but not as dramatic as the game. But still it good to see her having her long hair in the manga. SHe so much cuter than the other girls with her long hair plus we get to see Asa's Dad or at least a pic of his dad. http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4...e0210244lw.jpg __________________________________________________ __________ Village Idiot 2005-10-27, 03:09 Agreed, it was far more dramatic in the game. Though hopefully, the anime will stay true to the game moreso than the anime, especially with it's Age-15 rating. __________________________________________________ __________ Marvin68 2005-10-28, 15:39 been trying to download the manga for almost a week now but nobody is uploading it , so i am just wandering if anyone could upload this file to a ftp server or something? it will be appreciated __________________________________________________ __________ giu_2 2005-10-28, 16:01 been trying to download the manga for almost a week now but nobody is uploading it , so i am just wandering if anyone could upload this file to a ftp server or something? it will be appreciated i got these parts.. Shuffle!_v01_c001[KnKF].zip Shuffle!_v01_c002[KnKF-Manga].rar and i would like to haev more __________________________________________________ __________ eMpTy265 2005-10-30, 18:10 chapters 19-24 Raws are out at pointblank and I just read through them. Its mainly about Asa but I didn't like how they made her use her magic it was still good but not as dramatic as the game. But still it good to see her having her long hair in the manga. SHe so much cuter than the other girls with her long hair plus we get to see Asa's Dad or at least a pic of his dad. http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4...e0210244lw.jpg Just read the raw as well. The way the manga handled each heroine's "scenario" made me feel that the manga is trying to drag things along without any plot development. While the manga did play out each heroine's story, nothing came out of it apart from character development. I suppose that's the downside of having a manga come after the game... That being said, I'm still looking forwards to Kareha's and Mayumi's stories, since I probably won't be getting my hands on Shuffle! On Stage. Last edited by NightWish; 2005-12-28 at 13:27.