[Macbrother]

Ah seriously Macbrother don't be stupid, Here is just a few paragraphs of your using the regular ninjas as argument I could double the amount just with some of my answer and still multiply the whole thing by quoting them all but it take too much place I'm already at the limit of 10000 character by post.

Your point of showing all that was? Where once among those paragraphs did I make any mention of Yondaime? Zero. Yes, we had plenty of side-discussion about 'shinobi' in general, I never said we didn't, I just said I wasn't using regular shinobi to prove anything about Yondaime, I was using the sannin, which I can use as they are still strong at 50. I don't need to know how strong they were before, all I need to know that there strength is indeed still legendary at 50, with no evidence showing they were stronger when they were young, but evidence to the contrary in the new jutsu they have developed.

And my original point was that Sarutobi didn't need 50 years to establish his legend and that even shinobi of that caliber weaken with age.

Except you make this statement out of ignorance, because you at no point in time know when and what age Sarutobi was when he established whatever legend he did, whatever feat he accomplished. The point here being only Sarutobi had surely 30-40 years of being Hokage at least, where Yondaime had maybe 3 or 4. That is much, much more time to build up a legend.

No that the sad truth, I worked and still work with plenty of young boys around their twenty and men over their fifty and I can assure you that being older isn't equal to wiser.
That just depend of the people, not of their age.
Sorry to breack your dream to become automatically wiser while you would grow old.

Your anecdotal evidence is meaningless, I can easily say my experiences with the elderly are very much different. I never said wisdom was 'automatic', obviously that concept is not going to be the same with everyone, but it's definitely the case with many and surely would be the case for a genius.

Yes you reduce these terms, wisdom and battle experience doesn't imply the same thing.
Except that yeah we can drop this point.

What exactly is the context of this discussion? Wisdom outside of battle? Who was the smartest hokage? No, of course not, obviously this is going to be wisdom as it pertains to a hokage's fighting ability, again, I'm not reducing anything, I'm placing it as it relates to the context of this discussion.

lol exactly what I said, Six of one and half a dozen of the other, you just play with words.
And show me a relavent evidence that age doesn't make a relavent difference to chakra and overall strength at 50, please show it.

If you can't see the difference between there not being a difference period, and there not being a difference we can notice, I'm not going to explain it again. As for evidence, I have. The fact that they have developed new jutsu which greatly increased their strength (immortality, edo tensei, souzou saisei) and the fact that not once have we seen them make a reference to or appear to be hindered by age. Again, I didn't ask you for proof, as what I just mentioned isn't proof either, but it is evidence that points to it, I merely ask you for yours. At least try to back it up with info or drop the claim.

You confond physical energy and chakra, the second comes from the first but it's not the same thing.
The body that Oro chose are young, strong and healthy with surely plenty of physical energy.
Besides the chakra producing organs work probably better when they're young.

I never said they were the same thing, in fact I said exactly what you repeat here, that physical energy ties into the amount of chakra one is able to mold. However, the point is, chakra is composed of (2) things, physical and spiritual energy. We do not know which if any are greater, so I imagine we just assume they both have an equal weight in determining one's chakra. (if they do not, and spiritual energy plays more of a role, then that means age plays less of a role). If Orochimaru casts off his body, he is losing half of that enormous sannin-level chakra, and is replacing it with someone he picked, using a new source for physical energy, therefore his chakra must be affected, unless the body he chose happened to also have enormous physical energy, which considering how rare the chakra of the sannin is, I doubt is very easy, if even possible, to find. That's if physical energy plays an equal role.

Even the Henge isn't an illusion but real changement of the body even able to morph you onto an object, and besides Tsunade 's true body is older than 50, her jutsu ages her body in exchange to regenerate her completely.
Heck, when she isn't using her jutsu she seems in an even worse state than the 3rd at 67~68 with her decrepit and shaking arms.

I don't think we know enough about this jutsu to make this sort of claim. When she reverted back, she did so due to chakra exhaustion. If what you're saying is true, then using this jutsu would augment almost everything about her, including her overall chakra capacity. I'm not saying it's a genjutsu, because it's probably not, her appearence change is real, but that doesn't necessarily mean her heart, lungs, muscles, etc, are all youthful. If you have a manga reference that states that explicitly, however, I'll go with that.

Seriously stop dreaming, yeah the body experiment health loss before 50 years old, your only 'point' is that basic knowledge aren't the same in the world of Naruto, well guess what it was never said either that the sky is blue but until the contrary is stated there is no reason to think otherwise.

You're the one who is dreaming. Yes, age is of course constant, the effects of age on the body are not, necessarily. I age 5 years from 35 to 40. Does that mean I lose the exact same health as I do from aging 55-60? No, of course not, my body is probably degenerating more rapidly at an older age than at a younger age, which explains why at 67 Sarutobi didn't stand a chance against a 50-year-old Orochimaru, but at 50 he could've defeated a 33 year-old one.

Maybe you should read your own post when you write them?

You said:

The aging process is exagerated so it's non-existant?

Which is not what I said. Try your own medicine before doling it out to others.

No, the 3rd said that only those who forms a contract with this jutsu can see the Shinigami.

There is nothing about to sign a contract before, from what the 3rd says it seems that the jutsu is the contract, to perform the jutsu is the signature by itself.
For the Edo Tensei no idea, I was just saying that we don't know shit about this jutsu except that it requires a sacrifice to hold the soul.

Again, there's nothing that implies the contract is signed upon execution. We have no idea what he means by signing a contract with the jutsu itself. Regardless, the point is you said maybe Edo Tensei is based on a contract because it's a summon, whereas we know for a fact that Shiki Fuujin is based on a contract. Like I said before, who would the contract be with if that were the case? That's illogical.

What are the Shinigami is commom knowledge for japanese people.

That's great. Try answering the question next time.

And again it's the way around, why bother to seek 2 others people whereas you have 2 guys who're not useful anymore within reach?
Oro just found an utility for them.

Because these are people you have trained and put at least a shred of effort into, whereas two people on the street would probably be alot more worthless?

Besides you need a sacrifice to hold the soul, you don't merely need a corpse, you need to kill someone.

Uh, hello? Did you somehow miss when I said this?:

It's more likely they need to be sacrificed for that purpose, Edo Tensei than that you can just pick up any two bodies off the street.

No in both anime and manga they're not even surprised to be here and immediately understand the situation.

No, the dialogue is just as I explained it, unless you're using another translation. Instead of saying "Edo Tensei...so he used that to get us here." he says "Edo Tensei? So this kid summoned us with a kinjutsu?" With the 1st replying with "if that's the case..." as if he doesn't know for sure either. In any case they are certainly surprised, or at least impressed with what Oro has done ("what a guy")

For your spell caster point I think raikage answered to it pretty much (still 4 pages ago) and as I said you take an extreme example as a generality.
Oh and I didn't see the Sannin having 'incredible movement', neither Oro nor Jiraiya nor Tsunade who pained to catch Kabuto who isn't even particulary good in Taijutsu.

Answered it? He said the same thing I was, that in a sense they are sorcerers, who always grow more powerful with age, which you never replied to. Oro is extreme as a ninjutsu specialist? lol, and yondaime wasn't? By incredible movement, I'm referring to Oro/Jiraiya when they were fighting on the giant snakes prior to the grand summonings:

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To say that it wasn't certain that the 4th would have became really particulary stronger is my original point.

Your point isn't necessarily in contradiction to mine, as I never said it was certain either. Like I already said before, the entire point was to bounce ideas around. :P

Given that Oro doesn't age your only example remains Tsunade.
And still no it's absolutely not proven.

lol? And just why doesn't Oro age? [Hint: Given time, he created a ninjutsu. Who would've thunk it?] As for Tsunade, you think the now basically 'indestructable' version would lose to the vulvernable one? Ohhhh kay.

And plenty of other people gain their 'title' right when they reach the peak in their field, so?

Just curious, such as...? That is, someone who was declared the best of all time in whatever their particular field when they just started it. Besides, I said as a general rule, I can name plenty of more examples then the first two I mentioned, but give me a couple of yours.

It's not certain at all, actually I see it the way around.
First he was the strongest Ninja blahblahblah, then he was known as the professor.

I would imagine 'knowing all jutsu' would be an aspect of being the 'god of the shinobi', not that being the 'god of the shinobi' was part of being the professor.