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Old 2012-01-25, 16:45   Link #27301
AuraTwilight
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Well, I don't know about all of that.

It is still a battle of reasoning, and she is extremely intelligent. She had more of a chance than Battler ever did in the first 4 games.
What's the point of reasoning if you have no control over the information you're handling? What's the point of being extremely intelligent if you can't realize you're being deceived by literally everyone else? Erika's intelligence and cleverness is mostly demonstrated in how she can weave ingenius, and incredibly sick plans to trap her opponents and humiliate them with things she's prepared several turns in advance, but you're arguing against her ability to do that.

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Her perspectives weren't that unreliable. Her Piece should have access to the Mystery side of the story, and she can watch the Fantasy side from the Meta World. All of this will give her many vital clues with which to begin reasoning.
The idea that Renall is speaking against wasd that Erika did not have access to her Piece's information. Keep up.

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Even though the cat box hadn't been opened, she decided for herself that her perspective must be THE single, objective truth. Nobody ever deceived her into believing something like that. Certainly, on the Mystery side, her Piece's perspective is supposed to be very close to the truth of the current game. You can't use Fantasy to trick that perspective. However, it isn't quite at the level of Red Truth. And nobody ever said it was.
Wow, you are not even close to responding to what Renall is talking about at all.

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Maybe it is like in EP8 with Ange? Where she could just "enter" the body of her piece, but when she didn't want to, she could just let the piece take over... and now i wonder who "controls" this piece's personality when the player is not the one controlling it....
By necessity, the Gamemaster.

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What if Bern/Meta-Erika saw the whole game through the eyes of Piece-Erika? Also the parlor scene may have been presented longer, but skipped for Meta-Battler, because it was not really necessary for Battler to see it? Hmm I am not sure about this.
Then we loop back around to the very beginning of the discussion. Why in the hell didn't Bern or Erika comment about Kanon not being visible? Why didn't they find the Shannon/Kanon thing even slightly odd, except to preserve Ryukishi's shitty twist?
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