[Kha]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

KHA?!?!

Where the hell are you?! Why am I fending them off on my own?!?!

Hell, it's about time...

*drifts into the thread*

You summoned me, didn't you?

*glances around*

Yare, yare. What happened here? I was getting comfortable with the OC and Fanfic thread. AND fighting the tyrannical actions of ODEX, with our operations base here.

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With that aside...

*flexes pseudoscience muscles*

Let us begin.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

The term 'soul' was just an example...

I use it to describe something on the inside of a living being, but not physical.

Inaccurate terms create confusion. That is a problem that was heavily tackled in human anatomy, thus giving me multus trouble remembering everything.

As my lecturer says, "When you tackle a problem, start from First Principles."

So we shall focus on magic within a person.

Using canon terminology, we know that a person's magical energy (henceforward will be referred to by this poster as mana or MP) is manipulated and concentrated in his/her Linker Core. Whether or not his/her soul resides in that part of the mage remains to be seen. It is a fandom idea that the soul is there btw, just to let you know.

But we know that mana doesn't always come from the heart. In fact, it often manifests at the limbs or extremities, or basically where the mage intends to create the spell from. This tells us that there is a system of delivery, a bit like the heart and the arteries and veins that carry our blood around. Assuming that evolutionary parallels exist for such a conduction system (the lymphatic system and the circulatory system are very similar being the base of this assumption), we can say that the Linker Core is the "heart" of the mana conduction system, with invisible, intangible, and very motile mana "circuits" running inside to the outside of the mage, since SB proves that magic can persist outside of the body, and I don't see mages ingesting anything fortified with "mana".

The Mana Circuit idea came from Fate/Stay Night and a few other places.

Now that we know how mana is moved within and outside of a person, let's move on.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

You are assuming ALL of Nanoha's beam attacks are magical damage only

Recall how she trashed Precia's tin cans back in season 1.

And no, I don't think they can just make their magic vanish all of a sudden without external help. It's like in any RPG game, you can't just have your mana gone for no reason.

And in this case, a mage without mana is someone who practically run 100 miles and is now exhausted.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Edit: The term magic damage itself is a confusing one, anwyay. Can't you think of a better one, Chaos?

Actually, it was my idea, parallel'd from D&D's Non-lethal damage crossed with the "Mana Burn" spell from the Warcraft universe. Basically, what it means is "degree of exhaustion dealt to the mage by the amount of disruption made to the mana circuit as well as the overall reduction of the mage's mana pool." I admit magical damage was rather vague, so let's tighten it up: Non-lethal magic damage (assumed to be able to burn mana rather than flesh) and lethal magic damage (definitely burns flesh). Being able to switch in between the two to power one's spell is the magical equivalent to pulling one's punches, which also gives rise to Lethal physical damage and Non-lethal physical damage. There is too little to run on in canon to debate what kind of mana goes into non-lethal magical (NLM) damage, but we do know that it exhausts the mage's mana reserves, but leaves no bruises or scars, though it might burn or melt the barrier jacket or knight armor, which is magical.

This selective damage hints at what happens within the mage when hit by a non-lethal magical attack (NLMA), which will be covered now.

It was debated and settled earlier that an AMF does disrupt the mana circuit outside of the Linker Core. But we don't see Erio collapsing from it (The Nanohaverse OC Kha does, but that's because his Linker Core was different) for his mana store is within the dense Linker. Maybe there was a little discomfort as the extra-Core circuits lost power, but with adrenaline pumping, that small disturbance tends to be overlooked. Now let's say we shoot him with 1% of Nanoha's "rubber bullet" variation of Crossfire and we hit him at the spot where Teana was hit, smack at the heart. My expectation is he'll feel somewhat breathless, with some pain. Medically called "Phantom Pain", this pain arises as the body tells him that his magic circuit was under attack. We know that the NLMA attacks magical creations selectively over physical bodies, and so my link is here is that, like how NLMA destroys BJ/KA, it 'destroys' the magical circuit of a Mage.

Hit him with the full attack now. What happens? I expect Erio to feel so much pain that he passes out from it, his magic circuit is in total disarray, but his body remains visibly unharmed.

The "bruises" we see in the manga excerpt are really just dust from the collapsed training room. Contrast Teana after Nanoha's Crossfire attacks, and after the Signum punch (no sir ree, she HAD to prove she wasn't a submissive uke). Now that's a perfect example of the true effects of magical damage versus physical damage.

Seven Arcs should pay me to write their "Technology of Friendship" codex for the Nanohaverse.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

A vampire mage, I had that idea for like ever...

Look in the OC thread. You love my latest villian. A kamen loli with a big sword to boot.

@Teana's "hurt" arm:

OK I'm going to reference the earlier debate on BJ presence over immaterial bits. Earlier in this thread, we declared that BJ exist all over the mage as a very dense, next-to-skin, defence of summoned material and protective fielding. Summoned material for the visible bits, dense protective fielding for the "exposed skin" bits. That way Fate was able to survive getting whipped and thrown into concrete with only dust and BJ damage.

That spot on Teana's arm is a burnt field. Now I know something sound's wrong with that, but this is parallel'd from the human body: In areas where it is too dense to be removed, impurities remain there indefinitely, especially if its sterile the body would cover it in fibrous tissue and leave it there. My link here is that the "charred" dust from the burnt off field stuck to the defensive field in that same manner, to be removed when one "rebooted" the BJ, repaired/purified it, or dispelled it into sealed mode. No point risking exposure to excise remaining bit, for it still provides some protection as well.

EDIT: I thought of something that I forgot to cover here while replying to Chaos' later post, but by the time my com loaded the Edit box... I forgot what it was... Now if there's any comments and disputes to my above post or other posts, that should serve to trigger my memory.