[MalakTawus]

@Ryus

Spoiler for too long:

Yes, with Miria with awakened legs in the battle too, why because it was flatout stated in the said spoiler and you apparently missed that then went on a rant about Deneve and Helen not standing a chance.

Incredible!
It's YOU that introduced your comment in a discussion that is was having with Newhope,and IN THAT DISCUSSION we were considering Miria out of combat since she is tired.
So actually it's not that i went on a rant like you said,it's YOU that introduced yourself in a conversation without even bothering to understand the actual scenario that we were discussing.
Sorry,but it's your fault if you don't bother to check properly when you stick your nose in a discussion that you didn't even start,lol.
Btw,i also mentioned in a previously post the imo the ideal solution would be Miria awekening,but that was irrelevant in that discussion since we were considering a different scenario.

Too bad you can't prove it means nothing, so please stop CAPITALIZING letters when you can't back them up.

No thanx,i'll continue posting with my own style since i like it that way.

You have no way to measure Deneve and Helen's exact power, you can't disprove the possibility of them being strong than they where 7 years ago or even stronger due to an awakening than they where 5 minutes ago (you may believe either or but too many other points of view exist on the matter for you to disprove anything), and you can't prove what exactly Hysteria's power level/speed is, so you can't beyond a reasonable doubt correlate a 100% chance of victory for Hysteria. It's a ball park figure for the 4 (Hysteria, Miria, Deneve, and Helen) so there is likely lots of overlaps where a victory could be pulled off here.

Don't even try to put words in my mouth that i never said,especially in a moronic way like you are attempting: it's incredibly ridicolous what you are trying to do since i'm not one that belives that the ghosts are not more powerful than 7 years ago (that's Gooral theory,not mine,lol),on the contrary imo they are A LOT stronger.

....BUT,it doesn't change the FACT that no matter how strong Helen and Deneve are NOW,it's still 100% impossible for them to become too strong even after the awakening since they are AT BEST at n.3-level (to be extremely generous they could be weak n.2s).
Sorry Ryus,but it's 100% sure that there is no way that those two can defeat someone as fast as Histy if there isn't at least someone that moves at a similar speed than her to contrast even a little bit her actions.
The ONLY one that could do something like that would be an awakened Miria (legs are not enough btw,since with only legs she can't control her speed anyway),but since Miria was out of combat in the scenario that i was discussing with Newhope,she's not even a valid option,lol.
In other words: no Miria = Histy's victory is 100% sure UNLESS,like i have already said in the previous post, she herself does something stupid.

Next off Helen and Deneve are way stronger than Audrey, Rachel, and Nina as evidenced by them out preforming all there of them time and again... so Miria defeating them (especially when Audrey was apparently holding back for whatever reason ) proves nothing either.

What the hell are you saying? That example was just to show that it's impossible to win against an opponent that moves immensely faster than you, and that numbers don't help either since basically for super-speed-monsters normal warriors moves like in slow motion.
I don't even know what elso do you think i was trying to imply with that example,lol.

Your example there makes as much sense as saying Noel and Raphaela are equal in power due to there ranks both being 5, when we know for a fact one of the two (Raphaela) is not ranked according to her true power level. Plus we don't even know if every gen has same ranks always being equal, it's a point of much contention and using any point of evidence that is in contention to support another point in contention is going to draw some flack by the opposition... so calling it the only possible conclusion is clearly both a fallacy and rude

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Hahahahaha,NO.
What you are saying here has NOTHING to do with the example that i made so i don't even understand how you can relate this objection with what i was saying,lol.
Imo you have completely misunderstood my example.

Yet, it is also impossible to deny that both Helen and Deneve are also both partially awakened and furthermore Dae flat out said warriors can slowly rise in power and Riful furthered this by saying becoming stronger warriors means becoming stronger ABs. Roxanne is bloody proof of this, going from number 35 to one of the eight most powerful number 1s of all time.

Like i have already said,i'm actually one of the greater supporter of the theory that power can actually rise,lol.
This whole objection is 100% pointless.
Also,even if it's true that Roxy went from n.35 position to n.1, the only reason that this was possible is that she OBVIOUSLY had the potential.
I agree that warriors can become more powerful,BUT this doesn't change the fact that not everyone has the same potential.Roxy had n.1 potential,that's why she was able to become that strong so easily.
Yuma can train all she wants but she'll never reach Teresa's level,this is something that is 100% normal in nature.

Yes, there awakened power does depend on the strength of there power as warriors just prior to there awakening but this isn't a world where one on one has to be the case, in this series 3 or 4 much weaker being can topple a stronger one and with an awakened Miria thrown in they would have a pretty decent counter to Hysteria's speed and those two can either take advantage of an opening or make one for Miria to exploit.
Once again though you are assuming you know the exact difference between Helen, Deneve, Miria and Hysteria's powers and can some how correlate that into proof they can't win. Fine, believe what you want but prove it first if you want to take the moral high ground in a debate. It only belittle's your argument if you can't.

I agree,with Miria in the game it's impossible to determine the outcome easily,i NEVER denied that (infact i stated this very clearly way before you,lol), the problem is that MIRIA WAS OUT OF THE DISCUSSION, hahahahahaha!

Next off how do you know Deneve wouldn't sprout 50 heads like Cassandra and be immune to instant kills on top of her supper fast healing, since then it matters not how fast Hysteria is if her speed fails to help her kill Deneve fast enough... Next off Helen might be a god of lightning fast ranged attacks and can keep Hysteria at a distance where if she gets too close Helen can target and hit her before she closes in, and even if this is beyond impossible in a 1 on 1 situation based on the power differences how do you know helen couldn't do it in a group fight or Deneve wouldn't interpose her own body between Hysteria and Helen so Hysteria can't tell where Helen's next attack is coming from... finally what about the wild card of Miria how do you know she won't be able to keep pace or at least be fast enough make moot most of Hysteria's speed advantage.

You just have way too many assumptions in your definitive conclusions... the simple answer is Yagi has so much wiggle room in the power gaps he could do whatever he wants here and it make sense. As much as you may disagree if Yagi was to make the chapter go down this route (and i'm not saying it will) Yagi could have Miria attacking Hysteria's foot work thus rending all her speed almost useless to the point H&D could take her on even without awakening. All hysteria has going for her is her speed and once that goes it's clear her power and tactics are a house built of cards. It could happen and is possible, so deny all you want but your conclusions are very narrow minded imho.

...........oh god.............i'll not comment on Miria for obvious reason,BUT for what you said about Deneve and Helen,it doesn't matter how strong their awakened form will be,at best they'll be more or less strong as n.3 or n.2 awakened,VERY far from abyssal-level.....also there is something that it seems that you can't put in your head: even if they awaken,Helen and Deneve will always move in slow motion compared to Histy!!!
If you get it what happens when you move in slow motion compared to your opponent good,if you don't get it........

Lets clear up a few things first...

First I never said Cassandra was weaker yoki wise (this is clearly debatable and both opinions have merit), I just said she preformed worse as a warrior than Roxanne did against weaker opponents when Roxanne did better against stronger opponents (so therefore could be viewed as weaker). I did say Yagi has repeatedly failed to make Cassandra as powerful as she could be, was stated to have less senseable yoki than Roxanne, made her look like a fool who only has one trick (dodging at odd angles), and for some reason didn't make her awakening as grand as it could have been. So my point with cassandra has always been if she is stronger than Roxanne Yagi has been doing just about everything in his power to make it not appear that way when they where in human form and has seemingly reversed that when they awakened... also mentioned that Roxanne's most powerful technique has yet to be used so she may have an ace up her sleeve.

Ok,but you understand that this has NOTHING against what i was discussing,right?
I don'tknow if it's stronger Roxy or Cassy,anything is possible....but i know for sure that it's not surprising at all that awakened Cassy is at abyssal-level since it's obvious that Dae would have never chosen her if she didn't have n.1 level yoki since his objective is to lure Prissy.


Also, Roxy and Cassy never had a proper fight when they were alive,and sure as hell the way Roxy killed Cassy doesn't prove that Roxy was stronger since ,given the condition at the very end,even a normal good single digit would have been able to finish Cassy at that point,surely not a problem for a strong n.2.
It's possible that Roxy was indeed stronger than Cassy exactly like it's possible the exact contrary,it's useless to continue in this debate since it's already been done and it's pretty obvious that there are not enought information to arrive to a certain conclusion.

Second I agree about what Riful said and meant, the difference is I don't guess warrior power levels like you do so my statements are always way more open... For example unlike you I don't conclude Awakened Teresa was stronger than Awakened Priscilla, I concluded Awakened Priscilla and known her latent power has a chance of being near Awakened Teresa's power level and it could go either way (stronger or weaker) and I see hints Priscilla could be the better but in the grand scheme they could be red herrings too (though writing wise it would make for a better story if Teresa was weaker so Clare can't solely rely on her inner power and has to grow herself, in short no Deus Ex Machina from suddenly accessing Teresa's power).

Stop it.Stop it right now!
How dare you put words that i have NEVER said in my mouth so shamessly?
When i have EVER said that thing about Teresa and Priscilla? WHEN?????
Try again Ryus,you are SERIOUSLY confusing me with someone else; first you attribute me Goral's theory of power growth that btw i was the one that more than anyone else opposed, and now this nonsense???
I have no idea if awakened Teresa would be stronger than awakened Priscilla, at best i can say that personally i belive that Teresa would have been stronger,but that would be just my personal speculation (surely with ZERO evidences to prove it,lol)....and btw this discussion is quite pointless since Teresa is already dead.
I can ONLY say one thing for sure, Claire's body SURELY has an abnormal immense power hidden somewhere and the unconfutable proof is the crazy jump in power that Claire has when she went in QoB mode against Rigardo since she shouldn't have been THAT powerful.
So yes,im sure that there is an huge power hidden inside Claire's mysterious body and it's quite obvious that Teresa has something to do with that power since Claire became a warrior with Teresa's flash (it doesn't take a genius,really).
Am i sure that Claire will be able to defeat Prissy when she release her full power?No.
Do i think that it's possible?Yes.

Lastly,even if Claire surely has Teresa's power hidden inside of her,it doesn't mean that it's not her own power now (especially since Claire has her own personality and way of fighting,it's not that she is emulating Teresa),afterall it's more or less like the other warriors gain their powers from the fusion with the yoma......and btw claire's final power wouldn't be simply Teresa's powers,but some sort of complete fusion between Claire and Teresa's power.

The warrior Claire is born from the fusion with Teresa,why should be "cheating" for Claire a conection with Teresa's powers?

My personal speculation on this matter (very semplificated): imo normally Claire can access only to the yoma power inside of her,but in truth hidden in her body there is also an immense power (you can call it "Teresa's power"). That's why sometime she has abnormal jumps in power.
I belive that's what Raph was referring to Claire as her BIG mistake was exactly the fact that probably Claire herself has not yet understood that she has another source of power inside of her, a source of power that maybe could give Claire a result different from a normal awakening.
This speculation is also quite coherent with the phrase that Raph adds in the end, iirc something like "you'll have to understand it (referring to the "mistake") with that special body of yours" (or something like that).