[Wild Goose]

Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

Okay, how about when critiquing anyone's idea, let's leave the personal attacks out of it. If you can't give an honest critique without being rude, then don't bother.

Also, how about placing some of this TL;DR stuff under spoiler tags to keep things neat?

You've never been to Outer Cadia, I take it. *laughs ruefully* This is nothing compared to some of the Backlog Breakers we used to do.

Still, duly noted.

Spoiler for Replies to SaintessHeart:

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Bloody hell you could have just said that - I was wondering where you are driving at with such high-risk tactics.

I have said repeatedly that this is a policing paradigm. I have been trying to approach this from a law enforcement perspective as opposed to a military perspective - I'm trying to be thorough here. That said I do have some difficulty removing out the extraneous bits and cutting to the heart of the matter - Keroko has done a rather good summing up of our two viewpoints. Also, what high risk tactics - my style of posting or what i've mentioned? Let's not forget that the policing paradigm is much different from the military paradigm.

I wonder if perhaps it is not I who is skim reading posts.

(Incidentally, for an example of Law Enforcement vs Military in fiction, watch the reboot Hawaii Five-0 and see Danno's distress at McGarrett's disregard of police procedure, operating instead on a military paradigm.)

To sum up my position: Butei are issued lethal weapons but are not allowed to kill. Butei operate in a policing paradigm, where suspects are to be arrested for trial, not shot dead. Thus overly aggressive tactics must therefore be discouraged, regardless of the Butei's personal preference, as his job - Armed Detective - means that he is a law enforcement officer, not a soldier.

Also, military service has very little to do with policing work. Almost nothing soldiers do is applicable as the intents and objectives are different, the methods are different, even the military admits that using soldiers as police is hardly ideal - Northern Ireland is but one example; the Paras were hardly ideal in maintaining security and were quite ready to fire. That's why in Afghanistan and Iraq there has been much focus on training the police forces.

Soldiers are intended to close with the enemy and kill them.

Police officers are intended to close with the suspects and arrest them, with killing being the last option.

Butei are from the policing paradigm.

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Eh the bayonet attachment is actually to prevent people from grabbing the gun you know. That is why most NSmen bitch about the SAR-21 not having a mount.

Policing paradigm. FBI's HRT doesn't use bayonets. Neither does the NYPD ESU. Neither does The Met's CO19. If there is a SWAT team somewhere in the world that uses carbines with fixed bayonets, I have not heard of it.

Now, with regards to the usage of characters, since this seems to have been missed out, I would like to reiterate: if your intent with your OCs is to release them to other authors to use, then all of this sticking to your guns is nonsensical, as once you release an OC to another author the other author has the power over your OC. Thus all this drawings of lines in the sand is pointless.

Again, as I have said earlier, if one wants one's OCs to be used by other authors, one must sell the character to the other authors. The best way to do this is by writing.

To give an example, one of the most popular charecters in Star Wars Expanded Universe is a redhead named Mara Jade, created by Timothy Zahn in Heir to the Empire. Zahn was so good in selling his characters that he essentially created SW EU. He was so good at setting up the chemistry with Mara and Luke Skywalker that for many fans she was the only romantic option for him. And then it was decided to kill off Mara in the recent NJO books - Zahn wasn't pleased about that, but he recognised that Mara Jade was like any other character created by any writer in the shared Star Wars EU - any author can use another author's characters and the original creator has no say.

tl;dr - you want people to use the Unamichi siblings, sell them to other authors by writing and be prepared to lose creative control. Give and take is needed, and right now there's not much give on your part, SaintessHeart.

Remember, folks: Police Quest, not Modern Warfare.

...though in movie terms it's a lot closer to Hot Fuzz than Black Hawk Down.