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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser
I'm sorry guys, but... Vivio uses some crazy ability to fight Nanoha and you call her a worthy opponent, but when the Huckebein use crazy abilities to fight the others you say they're cheating? Am I the only one who sees a problem here?
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It's not like that, we aren't justify Vivio, after all she didn't even have full control of her actions(does that rings a bell to you guys?) and backed upo by a system that empowers her with an ancient Belkan armor and the power of an entire Mystical Warship, so yeah pretty much Vivio is cheating. But the real point is that Vivio really put Nanoha in very real danger of defeat/death by virtue of being more powerfull than her(well, sorta, the AMF is still into play, tough), Nanoha keep up raising Blaster levels just to avoid being crushed, finally at Blaster-3 they seem to be more or less matched, except for the Fact that Vivio has near limitless power while Nanoha is burning herself to pull off such kickass powers,and, at the end, she end up using her most devastating attack multiplied by 5, and sustain lasting consequences from the fight.
Nanoha wins, but not in the easy way you implied before. Now she wasn't able to defeat Tohma(her new toys got destroyed one-by-one), and the only lasting damage the boy sustains is his divider's broked blade courtesy of Subaru.
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Originally Posted by itanshi1
Basically its just an argument of tactics, but its been pointed out that this team is not the best team they could have put together.
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Well, by this point the manga already stated that "fighting fair is for loosers", just like it was mentioned, the Hucks are not interested in proving themselves or defend their honor, they just want food/survive and don't give a damn about how they will accomplish that. As for the heroes, nearly all forms of heroism get subverted by this point:
*Tohma/Heroic Resolve: Failed against Veyron, despite managing to activate his armour Vyeron still beat the crap out of him.
*Signum/Knight In Shinning Armour: FAIL, honor and justice doesen't mean a thing in front of a reacted Eclipse Driver.
*Fate - Subaru - Erio/Let's get dangerous: Despite the new toys the Hucks fight them while giggling as usual.
*Hayate/Heroic Second Wind: Turned into a simple "Hope Spot" by Curren xDU.
*Nanoha/Super Prototype/Mid-Season Upgrade: While powerfull, the Fortress Mode didn't do a thing to Tohma and when the guy became serious it got reduced to a pile of scrap.
In contrast there are various "Big Damn Heroes" moments pulled succesffully by the heroes, but their first real uhm "victory" came when the remaining heroes gang up on Tohma(and with Lily's reaction that wasn't even confirmed yet). So yeah, the only way of winning here is to fight dirty tactics with more dirty tactics.