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Originally Posted by syke123
From a morale perspective your right, but it doesn't take a genius to realize the incredible asset you have in front of you. Inori's void is exceptionally powerful.
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Irrelevant. You're just proving that he was a shitty leader that what he did through his own accord and not for what's best for the group, by that logic why did Shu need followers if had just had Inori?
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None of what he has done would of been possible without her void. Also this is his regime, his word is law.
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Except Shu didn't actually do any leading and above all else he ruled through fear, the fact that he made an exception for Inori, and not for the reasons you listed, just makes it more clear that he had what was coming for him.
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What he did was absolutely necessary, there literally was no other way he could ensure the majorities survival. If he kept putting up the nice guy act, the rest of the school would've split up, everyone would follow whoever they thought could save them. Everyone would part ways fight against each other, and in the end they'd all lay dead.
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Wrong, the show goes out of it's way to tell you what Shu was doing was wrong, he himself stated what he was doing was wrong and foreshadowed exactly what would have happened after his reign was over, there's nothing that implies that if Shu wasn't a tyrant things wouldn't work out infact if he wasn't a tyrant things wouldn't have ended up like they did and more lives would have been saved. If you have a narrow minded view you're obviously gonna agree with Shu
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No he wasn't, he's in love with her after all, why would he let him punish his girl?
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Again, irrelevant. People who defend Shu's reign stating that he had to hide his emotions for the greater good but him making an exception for Inori shits on your argument
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He also didn't know why Hare and the girl died until recently. Yahiro was using Shu to fill his own agenda, and it would've kept going unless that girl died in front of him. He still realizes that using the voids is necessary to they're survival, although Yahiro was lying and covering everything up.
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No, he literally thought it was for the best the entire time and hold no grudge against Shu the latest episode proves that he was in the right in that situation and Shu was off the deep end. And he lied to prevent panic among the student body, see what happened when the word of void breaking went public?
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This time it's worse because everyone's death due to a broken void was framed on Shu, even though it's Yahiro's fault. Not only that but instead of clearing everything up, he joins Arisa's rebellion instead.
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What? It wasn't Yahiro's fault infact they both agreed that it would have been for the best NOT to tell anyone about it, I can't blame either of them for it for the sheer fact that Shu didn't know beforehand and this far into his reign people would have rioted though it was out of line for him to threaten the nightwatch by destroying his void. Also there's nothing that states that he join Arisa's rebellion nor that he knew what was going on, he's not even there during the scene and the last time we saw him he was talking to Kanon
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This isn't the Shu from 5 episodes ago, he doesn't care about his social standing, or anyone's opinion either. After Hare's death he matured, and grew as a character considerably. She's the only one he can open up to, and the only one that accepts him for who he is.
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He did not AND THE CHARACTERS CALL HIM OUT ON THIS AS WELL, he himself admits that he does not like the tyrant facade to Inori in the latest episode as well, the Yahiro scene or even the Ayase scene should have paint a picture of Shu's state of mind at the time if the previous episode didn't, Inori wasn't helping him through anything, but even she realize that Shu wasn't himself, this is probably one of the main reasons I don't blame Argo and Tsugumi for high-tailing it out of there during the betrayal.
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Hare was the turning point. Whether he did this out of rage or depression isn't the question. But rather, did it work? did they cross through? Did the majority survive?
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Did he get betrayal? Why is his right arm gone? And did nobody come to defend him during the betrayal? Also they were using him as much as he used them so it's a fair trade
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Answer is they did, whether he handled the situation wrong, doesn't matter, he led them across while doing most of the effort himself. That's all that matters, he fulfilled his temporary role while being betrayed by the entire school over a misunderstanding. Now everyone hates him because of Yahiro.
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Of course it all matters because it's the reason why they betrayed him and it wasn't "misunderstanding" because there was low morale due to his tyrannical reign and the majority of the student body hated him because he made their lives a living hell for no apparent reason. Also Yahiro wasn't the one who told Shu to be an ass and Shu could have said no to any of Yahiro's plans if he wanted