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Old 2007-01-20, 10:04   Link #809
Bloodseeker
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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant View Post
No right to kill his mother?
I don't know where you are getting that idea. This isn't about right and wrong, or even fairness, but suffering, pain, and revenge. The Japanese want their country back, and that's to be expected. The Britannians had taken Japan by force, so it's only natural that the resistance would attempt to use force in retaliation.
If anything, Lelouch uses other people as tools even now. Lulu knew how the Britanian royal courts operate, and was not surprised that people wanted to kill his mother. It was the fact that his father did nothing to prevent it that angered him.
Lelouch is cut from the same cloth as his royal siblings, and he knows it. He wants revenge, and Lulu isn't silly enough to confuse revenge for justice.
No, Lelouch has stated multiple times that part of the reason why he's fighting is to make the world a better place for his sister. He said himself that Britannia's policy to surpress the weak wasn't fair to people like his sister.

He's definitely not viewing Shirley as a tool right now (you don't have guilt trips over hurting a tool, and you definitely don't let a tool get in the way of a perfect moment to accomplish your mission), he may he use CC but he doesn't view her a mere tool (that seemed like a legitimate intimate moment in the cave), and he doesn't appear to view Karen as a tool either.

Its true Lelouch isn't your usual selfless hero that has some naive ridiculous sense of "honor" that wouldn't fly in the real world... he's a practical guy that knows that sacrifices are going to be necessary to accomplish his goals, and he's willing to make those sacrifices when necessary, be he isn't some bastard that only cares and fights for himself and views those around him as disposable pawns. He cares about his friends, he loves his sister, and he's said in private, when there's nobody around but maybe CC to hear him talk, that he's out to help his sister as well as to get revenge on Britannia for what they did to him and his mom. Also, he says that all of that justice stuff was just to get people to rally behind him, but I'm not completely convinced. After all, what practical purpose did saving random people in trouble serve before he became Zero? He knows that one or two regular resistance members probably aren't going to make that big of a difference, and I don't think that the people that Shirley talked about Lelouch saving shortly after she met him even were resistance members.

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Originally Posted by "Vallen Chaos Valiant" View Post
Nope, according to Euphie, that's not the Britannian philosophy. Their mentality is that you have the right to do anything your power allows you to do, that as long as you are willing to pay the price of war, you are free to fight anyone anywhere, and that everything belongs to you when you win.
To put it simply, "Might makes Right".
That is why even amongst themselves the Britanian aristocracy is cut-throat. Your birthright, if you have any, is only yours to keep if you are prepared to do anything and everything to defend yourself. Britannians don't believe there is a place for everything, only that you can do anything as long as you win.
I don't remember Euphie saying that, but whatever... even so, Japan's and Lelouch's battles are definitely moral ones.
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