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Originally Posted by Wanderer
Cite the interview and show the quote and I'll believe you.
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It was already cited before. Go back a few pages...
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Originally Posted by Wanderer
I wouldn't go as far to completely dismiss the suicide theme, but it's still a bit of an assumption to suppose that Shannon committing suicide in a fictional story indicates that Yasu wanted to commit suicide in real life. For example, in EP2 on the fantasy side Shannon is murdered by Beatrice, but the mystery side points to Shannon's (Yasu's) suicide. Yet, Beatrice continues to exist in EP2 even after Yasu's physical death. Our Confessions has a similar phenomenon where Shannon loyally allows herself to be physically killed by Beatrice, but Beatrice continues to exist anyway, and moves on to "revive" everyone for the next story.
Also, even if everything you just said is true, if it was Battler who solved the epitaph then would Yasu still commit suicide? She'd completely become Beatrice... but how would that even work?
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Beatrice not only has a role as Battler's ideal chick. She's also the gameboard, remember all those comparations of solving the game and solving Beatrice's existence itself -destroy the game, you destroy Beatrice with it. So Yasu is dead, but Beatrice is still alive because the 'game' hasn't stopped.
If Battler solved the epitaph, she'd point to kuwadorian and send him there. If he wanted to take with him all the family, or stop the bomb, Yasu would find a way to off herself and make it look like another sacrifice.
If Battler remembered Yasu, the miracle that she was striving for would become real. She'd die happy, knowing that he didn't forget her... but she'd still kill herself, as punishment for the crimes.
Maybe in Rokkenjima-Prime, as you call it, that's what happened.
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Originally Posted by Wanderer
That's true. It's a much more sensible backup plan than suicide. If none of her suitors would work out for her, maybe her plan was to simply vanish and start a new life. Of course this is equivalent to "death" for Kanon, Shannon, and Beatrice, though. Well, maybe not Shannon if she was planning for the possibility of eloping with George.
Like, say, by early 1986 she had given up on Battler and was in the middle of preparing her new life (either alone or with George). To tie up lose ends she was planning some kind of incident for the family conference to choose the next head, but then in July, or whenever it was, she suddenly heard that Battler was coming back, which lead her to pull out all the stops in an all-or-nothing attempt to "shoot the moon" and get Battler to remember.
Battler is dead!!!
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Without the quotation intervals... you just answared yourself. So what if 'Battler is dead'? Everyone knows that a declaration of death in Umineko is not something to take blindly and all that amnesia thing makes Battler effectively dead. His body continues on, as Tohya, but Battler is dead and stays half-dead for long decades till that last part in the TP???.
But metaphysical/metaphorical weirdness aside, no matter how brain damaged he was, that body was legaly and biologicaly Battler. And that's what we are discussing, wether Tohya is or not a new personality of Battler.
Tohya is in Battler's body, with all the insane Umineko-ish twists it entails. Bluntly put, Battler doesn't remember himself but he's still alive
There's not proof that he isn't. That's what Ryuukishi said to Keiya in the interview. That "Yes, it was Battler"!
Personality death is such a pain... so yeah, you found a statement that said that Battler is not Tohya... everyone already knows it, if is in the know about personality death and all that madness about being one yet many in Umineko, but whatever.
as I promised, I'll consider that 'Tohya is not Battler theory', as a little above asspull. How about nonsense? Or maybe "Something as likely as Krauss' investments suddenly making profit for him"?
For god's- we are going in circles here. And before somebody says anything, going in circles is
not logic.
Maybe it is. Of the insane troll type.