[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by Rethice

Everyone keeps on telling alumnox he's wrong, but he's the only one providing evidence of his point, and lots of it...

What "evidence"? Everything he's saying is complete and utter bullshit.

On the other hand, I have plenty of evidence, like the entire HF route of the game....

Does anyone have proof that it was Excalibur and not Avalon that purified the grail, other than just saying he's wrong?

Neither of them purified the fucking Grail. The Grail was not "purified" at all. Saber destroys the lesser Grail in Fate and UBW using Excalibur, she purifies nothing. The true source of the power is the Great Grail, which is in a cavern underneath the temple, which no-one even thinks about in the first two routes.

Canonically, according to the Side Material books, Waver Velvet disables the Great Grail six months later, and it is finally dismantled ten years later after some kind of war.

Originally Posted by alumnox

Last page, epilogue Five years later right from the Fate zero novel.

Spoiler for FZ:

Kiritsugu pretended to gaze out towards the distant moon, and hid the sorrowful memories with a bitter smile.
“Hmm, it is rather regrettable. Heroes have a time limit too, and it’s hard to fulfill once you become an adult. It would have been better if I realized that earlier.”
Had he realized it earlier – then he wouldn’t have been tricked by the sweet lie of miracles that flew the banner called wishes.
Kiritsugu had once released a demon powerful enough to destroy the world because of his aspirations. It was too late when he finally realized his mistake. Countless people had died because of it, including Shirō’s own father and mother.
And that harbinger of Hell was still lurking beneath Mount Enzō even now. After that battle, Kiritsugu had repeatedly visited that place with dynamite, and spent years to map out the situation of a few leylines. He had meticulously created a ‘bump’ at a location leading towards Mount Enzō. That might be the last time for him to use magecraft in his life.
The prana produced from the junction of numerous leylines will collect upon that ‘bump’ with time. When its limit is reached, a localized earthquake will be triggered deep within Mount Enzō.
If all his calculations were correct, then the cavern within Mount Enzō would collapse and seal away the “Greater Grail” forever. Though he would not be able to live to see that day, Kiritsugu had done the best he could to prevent the fifth Heaven’s Feel 60 years later.

Kiritsugu playing with the leylines of the underground system is what messes things up.

Erm, what?

Where in that passage does it even imply that what he did is responsible for the earlier Grail War? Indeed, the fact that he acted on the assumption that the Grail War would happen 60 years later (as expected) is strong evidence against that....

Ehmmm you are aware that what happens in the 3 routes of Fate stay night are not consecutive right ? They are 3 different possible endings to a unique stream line of events.

Very long and surprisingly accurate info-dump.

Wait, you know all of this and you still think that Saber actually destroyed/purified the Grail in Fate and UBW? How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

And, no, AM is not inside the "swirl of root". If it were, then the whole world would be completely fucked, because AM would corrupt everything. It is inside the Great Grail, hence what happens towards the end of HF.

Originally Posted by cecil

Not that I want to be banned. I don't know if it is possible to quote moderators but in my humble opinion I think alumnox post connects more dots in the series than any other. And I apologize to anyone that think my questions were for what I understand meaningless information.
Alumnox I thank you a lot for taking the time to answer and to let me copy your posts.
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One more question. I don't get it. Why the church lets them do what ever they want. As far as I remember in Fate Stay Night they send someone later and now in fate zero they will supervise the war. Its a different church in Fate Stay Night or how that works.

Why wouldn't it be OK to argue with a moderator?