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serverwolf · 2010-11-06, 07:10

hi there.
right now im tring to slove EP2, i think i already figured out the 'tale' of the first riddel-murder (the chapel)

Spoiler for the "text battle":

At the 2nd day, Rosa was told to go to the chapel by Genji. She saw Shanon, Kanon, and Gohda there too.
On the doors to the chapel, a bloody sign was written, and the words "Happy Halloween for Maria" were written too.
Rosa went to the 'Guest Room', took the letter Maria got the day before, and went to the chapel with the key.
The victims looked like they were asleep.
At the scene of the crime, there were cakes, cookies and more sweets for Halloween.
The chapel was locked at the morning of the 2nd day.

Regardless of whether they were living or dead, the six people definitely entered through the door.
Only one key to the chapel exists.
It is impossible to unlock the lock to the chapel without the chapel's key.
When the door to the chapel is locked, it prevents any and all methods of entry or exit.

This morning, Rosa definitely took an envelope out of Maria's handbag, and thereby obtained the genuine key to the chapel.
The key to the chapel truly was the object inside the envelope I gave Maria.
Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!!
When the six were killed in the chapel, the culprit was inside the chapel!
The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered!

In other words: the only way to enter to the chapel is to open the door with the key, enter the chapel, and then lock the door.

However: Maria got the envelope with the key at the first day, not only that, the six victims were alive and not in the chapel at that point.

Maria gets the envelope at the 1st day. = the door to the chapel cannot be locked\unlocked until the morning of the 2nd day.

If we take that into consideration, and the order of things the killer have to do (get the key> open the chapel> enter the chapel with 6 more people> decorate the chapel> kill the 6> exit the chapel> lock the door> return the key into the letter)
That can only mean one thing! When Maria got the envelope with the key, the chapel was not locked. It was open at the first day!
The door was not locked. Before Maria got the envelope, the culprit unlocked the chapel, and only then gave Maria the envelope. Therefore, to enter and exit the chapel (at the first day) key is not needed.
The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered!
The culprit could take the key to the chapel from Maria's envelope, lock the door, and return the key back into the envelope.Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!!
• Rosa could open the envelope in an early hour of the morning (much before 6:30, and before we saw) to check what Beato gave Maria. After that, the culprit took the key from the envelope, locked the chapel, and returned the key to the envelope.
• Rosa could be the criminal.
• Rosa could be black mailed by the real criminal, she was made to open the latter and give the key to the criminal.

Spoiler for the tale:

just from the fact that the key was inside the letter,
this level of reasoning is possible for Serverwolf.
What do you think, everyone?

2010-11-06, 07:10	Link #5094
serverwolf Member Join Date: Aug 2010	hi there. right now im tring to slove EP2, i think i already figured out the 'tale' of the first riddel-murder (the chapel) Spoiler for the "text battle": At the 2nd day, Rosa was told to go to the chapel by Genji. She saw Shanon, Kanon, and Gohda there too. On the doors to the chapel, a bloody sign was written, and the words "Happy Halloween for Maria" were written too. Rosa went to the 'Guest Room', took the letter Maria got the day before, and went to the chapel with the key. The victims looked like they were asleep. At the scene of the crime, there were cakes, cookies and more sweets for Halloween. The chapel was locked at the morning of the 2nd day. Regardless of whether they were living or dead, the six people definitely entered through the door. Only one key to the chapel exists. It is impossible to unlock the lock to the chapel without the chapel's key. When the door to the chapel is locked, it prevents any and all methods of entry or exit. This morning, Rosa definitely took an envelope out of Maria's handbag, and thereby obtained the genuine key to the chapel. The key to the chapel truly was the object inside the envelope I gave Maria. Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!! When the six were killed in the chapel, the culprit was inside the chapel! The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered! In other words: the only way to enter to the chapel is to open the door with the key, enter the chapel, and then lock the door. However: Maria got the envelope with the key at the first day, not only that, the six victims were alive and not in the chapel at that point. Maria gets the envelope at the 1st day. = the door to the chapel cannot be locked\unlocked until the morning of the 2nd day. If we take that into consideration, and the order of things the killer have to do (get the key> open the chapel> enter the chapel with 6 more people> decorate the chapel> kill the 6> exit the chapel> lock the door> return the key into the letter) That can only mean one thing! When Maria got the envelope with the key, the chapel was not locked. It was open at the first day! The door was not locked. Before Maria got the envelope, the culprit unlocked the chapel, and only then gave Maria the envelope. Therefore, to enter and exit the chapel (at the first day) key is not needed. The six people were already dead by the time they were discovered! The culprit could take the key to the chapel from Maria's envelope, lock the door, and return the key back into the envelope.Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!! • Rosa could open the envelope in an early hour of the morning (much before 6:30, and before we saw) to check what Beato gave Maria. After that, the culprit took the key from the envelope, locked the chapel, and returned the key to the envelope. • Rosa could be the criminal. • Rosa could be black mailed by the real criminal, she was made to open the latter and give the key to the criminal. Spoiler for the tale: The criminal stole the key to the chapel, and opened the chapel. he\she decorated it, and then put the key in a letter. Then the criminal gave the letter to Maria. -night time- The 6 victims were in the dining room. The criminal drugged their tea with sleeping pills, and victims fell asleep. Then, the criminal took the 6 into the chapel, Cut their stomachs with a knife, and went out of the chapel. -really early in the morning- Rosa wanted to know what was inside the letter Maria got, so she opened it, she saw a big key. Without understanding anything, she put the key back in the letter and the letter back in Maria's bag and went to sleep. The criminal toke the letter from Maria's bag, toke the key, quickly went to the chapel, locked it, quickly returned the key to the letter to the bag, and moved on. just from the fact that the key was inside the letter, this level of reasoning is possible for Serverwolf. What do you think, everyone?