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Originally Posted by Renall

And if Kanon didn't have a body in ep5, this constitutes a fatal Logic Error. What gives?

Whether she lied or not is irrelevant; it's fair game. So in other words, we can conclude that if this theory is being followed, Kanon had a body in EP5.

If Kanon and Shannon weren't there, and Erika didn't see either, then obviously Bern and Meta-Erika should be calling foul right away, as Lambda is showing them two servants who weren't there and then claiming that everyone on the island is present. They don't.

It's worthy of note that by this point, Bern and Lambda were already cooperating to deliver a false verdict with the Natsuhi culprit theory. We know that they were cooperating, because Lambda could have slashed it down with the Red Truth in no time at all, and yet she did not. In other words, it's the same as the Witch side being about ready to admit defeat when they didn't have to. Why would she do that?

What we saw could have been just a show they put on for Battler, to get an interesting reaction out of him.

But unfortunately, this theory is impossible from the start. And the reason is because there is a Red in EP5 which confirms Kanon's presence on the game board.

And if Kanon and Shannon weren't there, but Erika observed the two of them anyway, that means the facts comport neither with Erika's own observations as a piece nor with the scene as Lambda portrayed it. In short, it'd be a double-layered cheating sandwich, with Piece-Erika as the meat.

The only question here is whether it's permitted for Lambda to deceive the observations of Piece!Erika. If it is, then this theory is fair game. If not, then no.

Which leaves two more.

"Kanon and Shannon were switching off and Erika saw both" means the scene was a lie but it was a semi-plausible lie to the memory of Piece-Erika, who observed at different times Shannon and Kanon being present and thus sees no issues with the scene as presented since her own memory didn't let her see what Battler would have seen from his perspective, but it "sounds right." The red is not a lie, because all human persons were present in the room when Lambda proclaimed it, even though Kanon (or Shannon) actually wasn't visibly present. The problem with this is it's really just "Kanon was standing behind Gohda" evolved. It's not really any more satisfactory an explanation, just one that can be explained without suggesting Erika's piece was deceived.

The Red cannot be a lie in the first place. Lambda finished her sentence, so she didn't even pull a trick like what Bern did in the EP7 Tea Party.

And I agree, this theory isn't very satisfying at all.

"Kanon and Shannon weren't both there but Erika just didn't see one of them" means Lambda was filling in a detail which was either a deliberate lie on Narrator-Battler's part or an intentional embellishment on her own part. If Erika can't remember seeing Kanon, but "buys it" because the scene put him there, that's an indicator that she's basically stupid and lazy. This is especially true carrying forward to ep6 where Shkanon actually means something. And if Battler's narration is lying, he's doing so for absolutely no reason. Stupid, lazy detectives and narrators telling lies for no reason are hallmarks of incredibly poor writing, and it's going to trip up the reader quite badly.

This theory is unacceptable. If you use this, it means that Erika should have been able to solve the Logic Error at the end of EP6.

But as far as Piece!Battler's narration goes, that's fair game. After all, he's just a Piece being controlled.

...Though technically, since Bern was supposed to be in control of Piece!Battler's narration at that point, doesn't that mean she knew about ShKanon and was hiding it? And that opens up a huge can of worms.

All in all, I think I'm now going to have to revert back to using the "Kanon had a body" theory.