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Originally Posted by Apathy
Eh, I was under the impression that what you said was more or less the case, although I'm not sure about the 'true' or 'false' aspect of it. Also, with VNs, I guess there's more than one option influencing the story (more than Higurashi, I think? I've never played a VN, but I was under the impression you get to change the situation more/provide more input to the situation than Higurashi?).
Spoiler for kind of long speculation on Schrodinger's cat:
My impression of things:
Schrodinger's cat: 'The cat is conceptually both dead and alive, as neither has been proven. Upon looking in the box to confirm it one way or another, one can confirm whether it is dead or alive- however, by doing so, one could also influence the experiment in some way'.
VN: The several different outcomes of the pathways (stemming from the same situation) are conceptually possible at the same time, as none of them have been proven to be true or false (the ones that happen or not). Upon seeking to confirm whether one outcome is the the case or another one is, one can 'confirm' that it is the case- however, in doing so, one would have influenced the path.
I don't know completely how VNs work (as I've never played one, much less Air), but to use an example... say in Air, there's Misuzu's good end, Kano's good end, and Minagi's good end. They're all conceptually possible at the same time, but if you 'seek to prove that Misuzu's good end is the case' (make the situation into Misuzu's good end, I guess), then you'd be aiming for Misuzu's good end- therefore, you have a conclusion, but one that's been brought about by your actiosn and desire to confirm/conclude whether it is one ending or another. (Although, confirming the ending of a visual novel isn't really as concrete as confirming the living state of a cat).
I think that the examples you gave for Higurashi are good. By seeking to confirm whether a good end was possible, I guess you could say Rika undertook the necessary actions in order to do so, thus influencing her destiny. The reboot just gives her different situations and the like each time. It's probably the same for Battler, too?
So, Higurashi: The different outcomes of a situation (in a world) are conceptually possible at the same time, as none of them have been proven to happen or not. Upon seeking to confirm whether one outcome is the the case or another one is, one can 'confirm' that it is the case- however, in doing so, one would have influenced the path.
I guess Rika seeking to confirm whether the Yamainu and Takano were behind things would have influenced the path, for instance. Or, as aforementioned, simply Rika seeking to confirm whether she could influence things to get a good end. It's probably a bit different, but I think there are similarities.
... But I could just be getting confused. ._.; Someone please correct me if I'm wrong... In any case, what you said sounds right to me.
I'm glad I'll never have to study quantum physics: if I can't even get my head around Schrodinger's cat, I wonder what I'd make of the rest of it (not to mention all the formulae)...
Ah, and of course: Schrodinger's cat was mentioned in the poem by Bernkastel for Minagoroshi-hen: |
Higurashi is almost like us watching Rika play a live VN. We don't actually get direct input on the situation, but Rika does.
Otherwise, I was thinking more along the lines that Schrodinger's cat applies only to, say, the time before the Higurashi reboot (so that Rika has not made any moves on the playing field yet), but after Rika makes her first move, Schrodinger's cat does not apply any more, as her actions would have influenced (yes, that word) the outcome in some way, thus making one "END" (as I call it, eheheh) more likely than the others.
Similarly, during the time the box containing the cat is closed, Schrodinger's cat would apply, but if you took the box and threw it into a deadly wildfire, Schrodinger's cat would not apply, as it is far more likely that the cat is dead, than that it is alive.
So, I guess we're thinking the the same thing, although it seems that I'm thinking more about influencing a path before you try to confirm the outcome, while you're thinking about influencing a path by trying to confirm the outcome. Right?
...So... now to apply this to Umineko. Gaaaah~
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Originally Posted by ClockWorkAngel
The problem with Schrödinger’s cat is that though both possibilities are possible theoretically, only the second (death) is possible logically.
The cat will die eventually.
The cat will die one way or another.
So one may assume;
You can only save the cat by opening the box.
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This is confusing. It seems I can't understand anything unless it's put into a VN-perspective.
