[QUOTE=cheese4u;2671059]Uhhh...maybe, but as I recall Ace really isn't that fast, during that entire fight he didn't do anything that would make me believe that BB had to use that ability to catch him
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Originally Posted by andy
We've already been over this, that wasn't my point.
Those attacks would be just as useless against a strong haki user. Remember when Luffy fought the Snake sisters? When he attacked the big one his arms kept bouncing off.
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That was a physical attack, there nothing to prove that she would have hit back logia powers . Plus when luffy hit her hard she bounce back what stopping a ice spear or a beam going right threw her.Plus when luffy got a hit on BB in chapter 544 when he was fly back he was able to pull luffy clsoer to him to get a free hit.Luffy was also in gear 2 and he could not escape.