[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

There's no contradiction to contend that a HEAT round can take out Cyborgs and a HE round can't. This is NOT a difficult concept.

It was your argument that said an RPG can take out a cyborg. RPG's use HE and HEAT rounds. The mariage fired an HE round that could take out a tank, and didn't take out Subaru.

Thus, which is it? Answer the question. Can an HE round that can take out a tank, take out a cyborg? You're trying to split hairs here, and hoping people won't actually be informed enough about military equipment to see the weakness. AN HEAT round is specifically made to penetrate tank armor. It's actually less destructive than a plain HE round.

So you're saying the "weaker" round can take out a cyborg, but the "stronger" round can't. And in both cases, you're being pedantic; an HE round that can take out a tank, is an HE round that can take out a tank. You really should stop trying to ignore facts.

You had to use TWO separate excuses to try and explain why the AB/BJ was weakened, one of them was basically contradicted, and BOTH of them don't really solve the problem anyway.

This is in comparison to the idea that the AB/BJ combo simply does not have the performance people think it does. It uses both pieces of evidence directly, does not have to contradict anything, and doesn't have a problem to solve.

Really, the victor is obvious.

So, someone with multiple explanations clearly loses the argument? Congrats; you just made yourself the loser. You have WAY more explanations than anyone else here. We simply believe that in all cases, AB/BJ's can guard against most mass-based weapons. You have a dozen or more explanations to try and explain each situation.

And completely ignore mages easily surviving every kinetic impact to date under normal circumstances.

And there weren't multiple explanations. There was a single explanation from our side: In both cases, the AB/BJ was weakened. That's it. That's one explanation that covers both.

In other words, one is just to take the observations as is, and the other is to find excuses for why not to. Hmm...

Yes, it's so obvious now!

Mass based weapons move slow.
Magic moves slow.
People move slow (they block instead of dodging a lot).

So the Nanoverse must move slower than our universe! They all move the same relative speeds in the Nanoverse, so it all balances out. The explanation is so obvious now, thanks to your expert observations! =)