[Sol Falling]

Originally Posted by Doc Astaroth

Actually, I fear, we will feel very sorry for the Minus someday:

Spoiler:

I think, this kids are doomed to become the target of their very own powers sooner or later:

Mukae will rot away living, Shibuki will live with wounds, which will never close, and Kumagawa... will turn in nothingness! No one will remember him or his evil deeds anymore!


On the other hands, in case of Shibuki´s past, we see, that she became a sadist, because this was the only way to become happy for her!

All Minus think, they only can make people suffer!

Yeah, no doubt the minus will also each get some backstory explaining their actions and personality, but that can not and will not change the meaning of the outcome they are pursuing.

In case of "Kumagawa may be an hero":

Who knows, maybe "Mysterious Girl", aka "Aijimi", will turn out to be the true Big Bad and Kumagawa tried to kill her at middle school, because she wanted to release this "Beast" inside Medaka. XD

Kumagawa's motivations fundamentally emerge from his minus, which by definition is 'absolute failure'. The only thing Kumagawa can even try to do is drag others down in failure along with him. As such, although Kumagawa may eventually end up being portrayed as a victim, there is basically zero chance of him ever qualifying as what is known as a 'hero'.

I think, the problem here is "forcing"! There are two kinds of people in my opinion: The kind, who wants to live peaceful according to the "Rules" and the other one who wants to live free "on their own". It is the old fight "Hobbes vs. Rosseau".

Someone like Medaka is maybe a hero for people of the first kind, but the natural enemy to people of the second. Maybe it will become a later plotpoint, that her "The End" starts to "perfect" other people, taking away their amusing character flaws and makes them "boring" (Arguably, that already happened!), and the only character, who keeps his flaws (bad fashion style, etc.) is Zenkichi, because "he doesn´t change".

We might be using the word 'forcing', but you cannot in all honestly claim that Medaka's 'forcefulness' in any way compares to the opponents she is facing. Unzen's violent admonishment of rule breakers, Oudou's weight of words, etc. etc. The key point as far as Medaka and force is concerned is that it's not possible to 'force' people to be happy; happiness is something people have to believe in and want on their own. So long as people's happiness is her goal, Medaka will fundamentally stand for more freedom than the 'equality' being pursued by the likes of Kumagawa/the Flask Plan. Aside from people's provocations in order to try to set off her mindless 'beast mode', Medaka can only be said to be 'forceful' insofar as she expends great effort trying to help people.